Reform supporting anti-vaxxers

Fartooold

I am very tired of anti vaxxers these vaccines saved lives including my DC’s who would have probably not survived awful Covid!
Am quite concerned regarding the poor take up of children’s vaccines seeing children dying from whooping cough will stay with me forever. Sorry slightly off piste!

FACT. the vax killed 16 million worldwide. Then there are millions who have and still are suffering side effects. I am a lateral thinker and knew from the start that a vax takes between 10 and 15 years to produce and test. Why would I take something introduced in a few months?

Jeannied

Fartooold

I am very tired of anti vaxxers these vaccines saved lives including my DC’s who would have probably not survived awful Covid!
Am quite concerned regarding the poor take up of children’s vaccines seeing children dying from whooping cough will stay with me forever. Sorry slightly off piste!

FACT. the vax killed 16 million worldwide. Then there are millions who have and still are suffering side effects. I am a lateral thinker and knew from the start that a vax takes between 10 and 15 years to produce and test. Why would I take something introduced in a few months?

Where is your evidence that the vaccine killed 16 million people?

You really don't seem to know much about the way Covid vaccines were developed. I'd continue with the lateral thinking classes, if I were you.

There was a lot that I found iffy about the whole thing. It was'nt the first pandemic we had ever had and nothing was stopped before. I never had it, neither did my Son, we both just carried on as before and never wore mask. Something definatly off.

You’ve said it, growstuff! 16 million? I would like to know where that ‘fact’ came from. What if we’d taken the same anti-vax attitude to smallpox, diphtheria or polio vaccines? Measles & whooping cough are killing children whose parents don’t take up the offer of protection. Many, many people died from Covid (I won’t quote numbers as I don’t know the stats). Years ago Bill Gates predicted the human race was more likely to be destroyed by disease than war …

Jeannied

Yes. The left wing ideologies have never worked. As for Dr. Malholtra, he is an expert in his field and has studied the effects the vax has had on heart conditions.
No vax, no masks, no social distancing. Same goes for all of my family and not one of us got the renamed flu.

No, he is not an expert in his field. He has had hardly any clinical experience.

karmalady

An eminent consultant cardiologist via Dr John Campbell

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEgAi1TK99o

I am a scientist and gave up on mrna vaccines quite some time ago. I too got sucked into the covid vaccine hype in the early days and also regret the few I did have.

John Campbell is not a medical doctor. He is a former nurse with a PhD.

Essexgirl145

There was a lot that I found iffy about the whole thing. It was'nt the first pandemic we had ever had and nothing was stopped before. I never had it, neither did my Son, we both just carried on as before and never wore mask. Something definatly off.

All that says is that you were lucky. It's very possible that you and your son were carriers who transmitted the virus to people who were more vulnerable than you were.

As for Aseem Malhotra ... he was uncovered as a fraud ages ago.

It appears that even Reform is trying to distance itself from him, but defends his right to free speech - I think that's where the connection is.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62z4rd87nlo

Stepgranonabroomstick

karmalady

An eminent consultant cardiologist via Dr John Campbell

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEgAi1TK99o

I am a scientist and gave up on mrna vaccines quite some time ago. I too got sucked into the covid vaccine hype in the early days and also regret the few I did have.

John Campbell is not a medical doctor. He is a former nurse with a PhD.

Aseem Malhotra is not an eminent cardiologist. He's a maverick who wrote a popular diet book (which was nonsense by the way) and seems to have found a way of getting his face on TV. He has never done any research on Covid - or anything very much.

I'm going to go on taking all the vaccinations that I'm offered, whilst accepting that there are a few, very rare, problems and risks associated with them.
My husband is vulnerable so he is offered more than I am, and I'm sure that he would not be here today if he had caught one of the earliest strains of Covid before he could be vaccinated. A previously healthy younger woman that we knew caught it on a train near Cheltenham at the start of the pandemic and was seriously ill for weeks.
One of my main concerns about the anti-vaxers is that they are against all vaccinations, including those that children are given in early childhood (unless there are contra-indications). Diseases like Measles, Whooping Cough and German Measles can be deadly or cause lifelong disabilities. The meningitis vaccines have also saved lives, and the cervical cancer vaccine will stop most cases of cervical cancer and other diseases associated with the HPV.

My daughter is a biomedical researcher at an American university. She strongly supported lockdown and then the mass vaccination, because the alternatives would have been devastating. She also pointed out that, although the pharmaceutical companies had lost much of their interest in vaccine research when bird flu didn't result in a pandemic, the universities worldwide carried on researching. And, in the face of the possible consequences of Covid continuing unchecked, they pooled their knowledge (unusual in academia!) So the vaccines didn't just materialise out of thin air.

I was talking to her on Messenger last night and she says things are terrible over there. People snatched off the street by masked men from ICE, vaccinations for children ended, women prosecuted for miscarriages, Trump's "war" on Chicago... She said that she watches news reports about Farage and Reform and thinks that the UK is walking into the same nightmare. "Don't they know how bad it is here?"

Kandinsky

I’ve never been offered the flu jab.
I’m in England btw. ( if that makes any difference? )

England too. Carer fir my 85 yr old mil at the time.

Kandinsky

I don’t know what to believe anymore regarding the Covid vaccine - but I won’t be having any more & regret the 4 I’ve already had.

Why? Are you well? Did the 4 you had affect you? If not, know that they could save your life. I assume you are elderly..ish? The vaccine will not prevent you from getting Covid, tho have enough over time and it may, but it WILL prevent you from getting it badly. The possible side-effects so loudly shouted about by anti-vaxxers and the like are RARE. Of course it can happen, but side effects can happen with ANY vaccination. Survived Polio, Measles, whooping cough, chicken pox etc … then I’m betting you had all your childhood vaccines… why stop now?

Bluecat

My daughter is a biomedical researcher at an American university. She strongly supported lockdown and then the mass vaccination, because the alternatives would have been devastating. She also pointed out that, although the pharmaceutical companies had lost much of their interest in vaccine research when bird flu didn't result in a pandemic, the universities worldwide carried on researching. And, in the face of the possible consequences of Covid continuing unchecked, they pooled their knowledge (unusual in academia!) So the vaccines didn't just materialise out of thin air.

I was talking to her on Messenger last night and she says things are terrible over there. People snatched off the street by masked men from ICE, vaccinations for children ended, women prosecuted for miscarriages, Trump's "war" on Chicago... She said that she watches news reports about Farage and Reform and thinks that the UK is walking into the same nightmare. "Don't they know how bad it is here?"

Exactly, I’ve been avidly following all in the USA and it’s horrifying! Florida ( Ron se SANTIS) has stopped all vaccine mandates, which in reality means that people ( like Kandinsky) will stop taking them and disease will start to proliferate in the state and then spread… even if you are pro vaccine, if enough people stop, your kids and grandchildren will mix with the unvaccinated… it doesn’t bear thinking about…as for holidays at Disney… forget it!

'Left wing ideologies', what has that to do with vaccines?
Covid was a killer. It's not even history. Less than a decade ago.
If folk are daft enough to believe the conspiracy theories, well, what can you do?

Oh, what did vaccines ever do for us?
Polio, measles, whooping cough, diptheria...all used to be scourges from the past.
Just keep our eyes on what will happen in the USA. Sadly, it will be the children who suffer first.

I have to enter the discussion because I actually feel sick with fear for our country and the future generally when I read people on here saying they are frightened of the Covid debate (and presumably other debates) and talk about people saying things that are 'acceptable'
Acceptable BY WHOM?
Since when, in this country, did we fear debate, and, yes, free speech?
Brave scientists like Malhotra don't stick their necks out without reason.
Ask yourself how you know what really happened with Covid? How do you know how many people actually died of Covid, as opposed to flu (bearing in mind seasonal flue death statistics went right down at the time.)
How do you know whether hospitals, incentivised to record a death as "Covid' actually recorded the truth?
How many hospitals did you go into, and actually see what was going on? (All was incredibly quiet in the one I entered, but that's anecdotal of course)
Do you wonder why Ivermectin, a drug regarded as safe by the WHO was forbidden?
Do you not think that maybe, just maybe, the human body can be strengthened to survive infections without being injected with chemicals that humans have never absorbed before?
Do you really think that the science is 'settled'? - and if so, who settled it? There are many scientists who question the entire Covid narrative and I think their number is growing
have you spoken to an undertaker (I have) about the strange anomalies in dead bodies, the growing number of young people dropping dead of some kind of cardiac event?
Do you ever think by by throwing around labels like 'anti-vaxxer" (as if we are terrorists, and goodness knows, some would have us treated as such) and grouping all politics as Trump and not Trump, you are shutting down debate, ignoring nuances and generally turning off your brain (so it can be more easily programmed, maybe?)
How did we ever, ever get to this??? Who said 'I do not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

undines Malhotra is not a brave scientist. He studied cardiology, but has hardly any clinical practice and has not done any reliable research. He cannot back up any of his claims with evidence. He's self-promoting.

He wrote a diet book, which was a rehash of work done by many others, which was widely condemned.

He's now gone down the Covid anti-vax rabbit hole. Presumably he's found himself a well-paid niche in the US.

In the past, he's campaigned to include more full fat in the diet and against statins. He blamed firstly the delay in sending an ambulance and, secondly, a Covid vaccination for his own father's death. Linking cancer in members of the Royal family and Covid vaccinations is highly dangerous, unresearched nonsense.

If allowing him to speak for the "free speech" cause is the best that Reform can do, the sooner people start ignoring them the better.

Carry on undines but I won't be fighting to the death for your right to spout that kind of stuff.

Thanks growstuff. I was a wee bit taken aback by that previous post.

The WHO endorse Ivermectin to treat parasites, not Covid.

undines as we have freedom of expression in the UK, you have been free to post your views regarding the Covid pandemic and vaccine.

Similarly, I have the freedom to express my view that you are talking the biggest load of bull shit I have ever had the misfortune to read.

growstuff
Re your post concerning Malhotra and his father’s death. This is just one of so many ‘sudden deaths’ after vaccination and cannot be coincidence. Anyone refusing to question, is frankly, burying their head in the sand.
I personally know of 3 people who had heart attacks after the boosters. One was a superfit chap in his 50’s, had a second jab, despite his wife befging him not to and he had a major cardiac arrest - air ambulance called, flatlined, he had a stent fitted and they saved him. Two others were not so lucky.
You dont recall the footballers and others seen collapsing on TV at the height of the vaccine rollout?
There’s so much evidence- and didnt the incentive of donuts and burgers to take the shot, create some suspicion?

didnt the incentive of donuts and burgers to take the shot, create some suspicion?

I’m fuming - I didn’t get an offer of doughnuts and burgers to take the vaccine. How annoying!!!

'Donuts' and burgers as incentives? Where? In the UK?

Perhaps Robin202 will come back and tell us where the doughnuts & burgers were on offer?

I wasn’t offered any for the many Covid vaccines I’ve happily, indeed gratefully, taken … and I’m fine, thank you for asking Robin202😊