Mainstream Labour

This thread is cheering me up. I’d already decided to shift myself and go back to attending our clp meetings. I will 👏👏

MaizieD

Oreo

This isn’t Corbyn’s new political party is it?

If you’d followed my link, or even read my OP, you could have answered your own question.

You can have absolutely no expectation of that, surely?

After last night I felt the same (tho to be fair I was planning to attend the last CLP, it was Zoom, but was postponed

It was the people as well as the ideas. the bloke next to me had been a leading light in setting up a centre in town to do free or cheap repairs on bikes (rent gifted by our Lib/Lab council) and anything else they can. Before I got poorly I was on a zoom group working with a local MP who has a Special Needs interest, to form Labour's health policy for the election with regards to Mental Health..We had a councillor there from the next ward, and he was a gentle but thoughtful person...and so on.

A lady not here was one of the most involved setting up a local food bank through Covid.....

Obviously thats not at all "all" but nevertheless I was reminded of people quietly working away...

Any improvement on the NotTheLabourParty would be good. Certainly Starmer’s party cannot be called Labour, it has moved so far right and trashed so many of its founding principles that it has become an opposition party to its original self.
The other day a neighbour referred to Labour as being a socialist party which is the first laugh I have had in ages.
The fact is it would be much easier to plug a hole in the economy if the wealthy and large corporations paid their dues rather than legally evading taxes, instead of continuing to squeeze the poor and just managing. The divide between the rich and poor has never been wider, nor has child poverty been so bad for decades. There is correlation here if you care to look for it.
But Labour which is decidedly NotLabour tackles none of this preferring to go down the route of populism targeting asylum seekers whilst every other fundamental thing wrong with this nation is totally ignored.

Anniebach

Clive Lewis , supporter of Marc Wadsworth !

Clive Lewis is one if the very few who understands how a national economy really works. He gives me a sliver of hope for the future.

In which case I am prepared to forgive him for whatever he has done to earn your disapproval, Ab

MaizieD

Oreo

This isn’t Corbyn’s new political party is it?

If you’d followed my link, or even read my OP, you could have answered your own question.

Sorry teacher!
I did read the OP thanks but not the link, I have limited time when I pop on here to look at threads between my job and a bit of child care plus household chores.
The luxury of retirement is not for me just yet.

In any case, don’t think I’ll be chasing after any new political party, I just want Labour to get the right people in place and get on with the job.Maybe they’re doing so badly because they’ve been out of power for so very long.

Oreo

In any case, don’t think I’ll be chasing after any new political party, I just want Labour to get the right people in place and get on with the job.Maybe they’re doing so badly because they’ve been out of power for so very long.

sigh…

What ‘new political party’?

Honestly -this is nothing new within the Labour Party, it has always happened.

Blair, Brown and he who should not be named were instrumental in forming the new Labour group in the 90s - to huge success.

Go further back and you can see it happening to lesser or greater success throughout Labour’s history.

It is because Labour membership is such a hugely broad church.

There will always be tension - particularly when the leadership is not performing as expected.

Andy Burnham has, in my opinion, been really good for Manchester. The people that dislike him, those who I have met, seem to be people who think car drivers should not suffer the slightest bit of inconvenience, whether from the new and improved bus and tram network, or from the new cycle lanes.

Labour are doing many positives. It needs an Alistair Campbell to get ahead of the news.

Iam64

Labour are doing many positives. It needs an Alistair Campbell to get ahead of the news.

Problem is, its negatives far outweigh its positives and its lurch to the right is horrifying many, many people.

I wouldn't vote for this government again unless it had moved radically back to its basic principles (and got a better Chancellor)

I feel a bit like Babs. Those that have the power and the money call the tune and if Labour doesn't dance to it the mainstream media will finish them off.

Compass has been around for some time. I don't know much about it but I do remember being quite impressed with some of the things they put forward at political gatherings.

I became disenchanted with Labour when they treated Corbyn so badly and I left the party. I have not been tempted to return. Starmer, in particular, was a real turncoat who didn't hesitate to appear to be supportive when Corby was popular in the party but who put the boot in when it suited him to do so. I had hoped Starmer would be an effective leader but, true to form, he appears to have no judgment whatsoever and to rely entirely on what reaction each issue receives from the mainstream media and the public. It makes him look foolish and gutless.

I left the party because of Corbyn, joined again as soon as he stood down as leader

The Labour voters I know would never have voted for Corbyn Anniebach
I think I expected more of Starmer but so far find him disappointing.He’s a reed who blows with the wind.

Quote Oreo Fri 12-Sept-25 15:48:56
The Labour voters I know would never have voted for Corbyn Anniebach
I think I expected more of Starmer but so far find him disappointing.He’s a reed who blows with the wind.

I couldn’t even be a member of the Labour party with Corbyn as leader.
Starmer, i don’t think he is a weak man , or a man of indecision, a man with a cool head and controlled thinking,
I may be so mistaken,

Corbyn has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

What do you think of Mainstream Labour, Ab?

Clive Lewis strongly criticising Starmer , I am sure Lewis stood for leadership 2020, he did hit headlines last year, tweeted fighting Gaza was caused by Islamophobia in this country and was the reason why Palestinians were under attack in Gaza .
Another Corbyn perhaps

"As Andy Burnham is top signatory of founder members I think this could be an interesting development."

I've seen more comments from political vlogs(?) on YouTube suggesting this is a trajan house for Andy Burnam's bid for leadership. I'm not sure how. He would have to be an MP first.

However, if he brought the Mayors together and led that group I do think parliament could be influenced.

Anniebach

Clive Lewis strongly criticising Starmer , I am sure Lewis stood for leadership 2020, he did hit headlines last year, tweeted fighting Gaza was caused by Islamophobia in this country and was the reason why Palestinians were under attack in Gaza .
Another Corbyn perhaps

The extremes of Labour, and I think Clive Lewis is one, will have a 10 day shout. Hopefully we can then get on with government business and start communicating the successes.

I agree DaisyAnne,

DaisyAnneReturns

"As Andy Burnham is top signatory of founder members I think this could be an interesting development."

I've seen more comments from political vlogs(?) on YouTube suggesting this is a trajan house for Andy Burnam's bid for leadership. I'm not sure how. He would have to be an MP first.

However, if he brought the Mayors together and led that group I do think parliament could be influenced.

Burnham apart, what about the principles Mainstream are promoting?

(Trajan has a column, trojans had the horse)

If I have time (I'll make some) I'll go back and see if it's being clarified.

Not only tragedy, but trajan house! The sad thing is that we each understood "computer"!

It's done it again! Time for coffee.

DaisyAnneReturns

It's done it again! Time for coffee.

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