Mainstream Labour

I feel a bit like Babs. Those that have the power and the money call the tune and if Labour doesn't dance to it the mainstream media will finish them off.

Compass has been around for some time. I don't know much about it but I do remember being quite impressed with some of the things they put forward at political gatherings.

I became disenchanted with Labour when they treated Corbyn so badly and I left the party. I have not been tempted to return. Starmer, in particular, was a real turncoat who didn't hesitate to appear to be supportive when Corby was popular in the party but who put the boot in when it suited him to do so. I had hoped Starmer would be an effective leader but, true to form, he appears to have no judgment whatsoever and to rely entirely on what reaction each issue receives from the mainstream media and the public. It makes him look foolish and gutless.

Iam64

Labour are doing many positives. It needs an Alistair Campbell to get ahead of the news.

Problem is, its negatives far outweigh its positives and its lurch to the right is horrifying many, many people.

I wouldn't vote for this government again unless it had moved radically back to its basic principles (and got a better Chancellor)

Labour are doing many positives. It needs an Alistair Campbell to get ahead of the news.

Andy Burnham has, in my opinion, been really good for Manchester. The people that dislike him, those who I have met, seem to be people who think car drivers should not suffer the slightest bit of inconvenience, whether from the new and improved bus and tram network, or from the new cycle lanes.

Honestly -this is nothing new within the Labour Party, it has always happened.

Blair, Brown and he who should not be named were instrumental in forming the new Labour group in the 90s - to huge success.

Go further back and you can see it happening to lesser or greater success throughout Labour’s history.

It is because Labour membership is such a hugely broad church.

There will always be tension - particularly when the leadership is not performing as expected.

Oreo

In any case, don’t think I’ll be chasing after any new political party, I just want Labour to get the right people in place and get on with the job.Maybe they’re doing so badly because they’ve been out of power for so very long.

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What ‘new political party’?

In any case, don’t think I’ll be chasing after any new political party, I just want Labour to get the right people in place and get on with the job.Maybe they’re doing so badly because they’ve been out of power for so very long.

MaizieD

Oreo

This isn’t Corbyn’s new political party is it?

If you’d followed my link, or even read my OP, you could have answered your own question.

Sorry teacher!
I did read the OP thanks but not the link, I have limited time when I pop on here to look at threads between my job and a bit of child care plus household chores.
The luxury of retirement is not for me just yet.

Anniebach

Clive Lewis , supporter of Marc Wadsworth !

Clive Lewis is one if the very few who understands how a national economy really works. He gives me a sliver of hope for the future.

In which case I am prepared to forgive him for whatever he has done to earn your disapproval, Ab

Any improvement on the NotTheLabourParty would be good. Certainly Starmer’s party cannot be called Labour, it has moved so far right and trashed so many of its founding principles that it has become an opposition party to its original self.
The other day a neighbour referred to Labour as being a socialist party which is the first laugh I have had in ages.
The fact is it would be much easier to plug a hole in the economy if the wealthy and large corporations paid their dues rather than legally evading taxes, instead of continuing to squeeze the poor and just managing. The divide between the rich and poor has never been wider, nor has child poverty been so bad for decades. There is correlation here if you care to look for it.
But Labour which is decidedly NotLabour tackles none of this preferring to go down the route of populism targeting asylum seekers whilst every other fundamental thing wrong with this nation is totally ignored.

After last night I felt the same (tho to be fair I was planning to attend the last CLP, it was Zoom, but was postponed

It was the people as well as the ideas. the bloke next to me had been a leading light in setting up a centre in town to do free or cheap repairs on bikes (rent gifted by our Lib/Lab council) and anything else they can. Before I got poorly I was on a zoom group working with a local MP who has a Special Needs interest, to form Labour's health policy for the election with regards to Mental Health..We had a councillor there from the next ward, and he was a gentle but thoughtful person...and so on.

A lady not here was one of the most involved setting up a local food bank through Covid.....

Obviously thats not at all "all" but nevertheless I was reminded of people quietly working away...

MaizieD

Oreo

This isn’t Corbyn’s new political party is it?

If you’d followed my link, or even read my OP, you could have answered your own question.

You can have absolutely no expectation of that, surely?

This thread is cheering me up. I’d already decided to shift myself and go back to attending our clp meetings. I will 👏👏

This isn’t a new party but a group of individuals working to try to steer Labour back to “first principles” it seems to me.

Well, I’m all for that, because unless Labour gets back on track, I like many others will find ourselves looking to cast our vote elsewhere.

The three headlined issues would be a good start.

I am no originally from a town not far from Manchester and friends from that neck of the woods love Andy Burnham, they see him as someone who has consistently fought for Manchester and the North West in a country that is London centric.
I really don’t have much time for politicians if any hue but I respect Burnham for being a bloody good mayor for Mancunians.

Clive Lewis , supporter of Marc Wadsworth !

Of course Andy Burnham has made mistakes, WithNobsOnIt.

We all make mistakes, including him, and hopefully learn from them:

and he has. He is generally thought well of even by those who disagree with him for he has brought money to the region and is one of the hardest workers in politics.

I went to my Labour Party branch meeting tonight and we discussed Mainstream. I really, really like it and what people were saying. It's firmly holding onto to socialist values but not the politics of Corbyn. Everyone there approved, our branch is known as the "sensible lot"

We also discussed who should be the Deputy Prime minister, and agrees that Lucy Powell was best. she was sacked by Starmer but represents Mainstream politics.

Commonsense is prevailing, Starmer has sacked Peter Mandelson too.

Oreo

This isn’t Corbyn’s new political party is it?

If you’d followed my link, or even read my OP, you could have answered your own question.

MG55

You are the only person I have come across to not like Andy Burnham. Can you explain what you base your views on please?

This was a question for WithNobsOnIt
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You are the only person I have come across to not like Andy Burnham. Can you explain what you base your views on please?

We love Andy Burnham in the North West. Proud that he is our proactive mayor and everything he does is to improve our lot 👏👏👏

I think he would like to attract more MPs, but he’d probably choke if they suggested Mainstream as name for his party, Mavericks would be more appropriate, although it’s already been taken.

Thought he may be trying to attract votes?

No, Corbyn’s Party is known as Your Party for now. It would be ironic if his Party was called Mainstream, surely.