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Racism is a result of poor psychological functioning

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 07:24:51

Steve Taylor, a senior psychological university lecturer has produced an article which outlines how racism may develop, and the 5 stages leading to it.

“ Research shows a link between prejudice and poor psychological functioning, including poor relationships with insecurity and aggression. This can often be traced back to a disturbed and insecure childhood. Other research has shown a link between racism and anxiety, demonstrating that people become more prejudiced during challenging times.

More generally, studies demontrate that when people are made to feel insecure or anxious, they are more likely to identify with their national or ethnic groups. This enhances their self-esteem and their sense of identity, as a defence against insecurity and anxiety.

There are clearly social and economic factors that encourage racism, such as hierarchy and inequality. But the above research suggests that racism is largely a psychological defence mechanism against anxiety and insecurity.”

The 5 stages

1. L“the process begins when a person lacks a sense of security and identity, which generates a desire to affiliate themselves with a group. This affiliation strengthens their identity and provides a sense of belonging.

What’s wrong with this? Why shouldn’t we take pride in our national or religious identity, and feel a sense of brotherhood or sisterhood with others who share our identity?

2. Because group identity often leads to a second, more dangerous stage. In order to further strengthen their sense of identity, members of a group may develop antagonism towards other groups. Such hostility may make the group feel more defined and cohesive, as if they can see themselves more clearly in opposition to others.

3. A third stage of the process is when members of a group withdraw empathy from members of other groups, limiting their concern and compassion to their peers. They may act benevolently towards members of their own group but be indifferent or callous to anyone outside it. The withdrawal of empathy turns other human beings into objects, and enables cruelty and violence.

4. Fourth is the homogenisation of individuals belonging to other groups. People are no longer perceived in terms of their individual personalities or behaviour, but in terms of prejudices about the group as a whole. Any member of the group is a legitimate target and can be punished for the alleged transgressions of other individuals from the group. In contemporary terms, any asylum seeker can be punished for the alleged crime of an individual asylum seeker.

5. Finally, people may project their own psychological flaws and personal failings onto another group, as a strategy of avoiding responsibility. Other groups become scapegoats, and consequently are liable to attacked or even murdered. People with strong narcissistic and paranoid personality traits are especially prone to such projection, since they struggle to accept their personal faults, instead searching for others to take the blame.

In other words, racism is a symptom of psychological ill-health, a sign of anxiety and of a lack of identity and inner security. Psychologically healthy people with a stable sense of identity and security are very rarely (if ever) racist. They ultimately have no need to strengthen their sense of self through group identity.

The Conversation
16/9/25

TerriBull Tue 16-Sept-25 16:59:16

I think racism is often borne, as others have said out of a fear of the unknown and also never having engaged with anyone other than one's own tribe. My late father- in- law was a shocker in his opinions on race, I remember him saying something along the lines when he and his equally awful pals at their cliquey golf club were put out, amazed, shocked whatever when 2 Indian men turned up and, if that wasn't bad enough, he related, the next week there were four of them shock Moving forward some thirty years, irony of ironies, my husband's eldest granddaughter, who would be late father in law's great, granddaughter, is now married to an Indian guy who is simply a top bloke they both live and work in the US, and to my husband's absolute delight there is a baby on the way, he is just over the moon to know he's lived long enough to see his first great grandchild, they float over here often, and it matters not one iota to him that this child will be a mix of English/Indian/Australian. Although the mischief maker in me often mutters, "if only you're father were still here"

I like to think I see the person before the ethnicity/colour, one of my best friends, we met some 50 years ago is black, born in Jamaica She was really the first person I knew who wasn't white, I grew up in Surrey and at that time, although where I went to school was awash with Irish/Italians, (the latter were about as exotic as it got) I only remember one little boy who was mixed race. Friend and I, after being introduced and sharing an office, clicked almost immediately, there wasn't really any preamble to our friendship, as soon as we discovered we had the same sense of humour, humour is one of the most important components of most of my relationships, we were joined at the hip, her and I and the other member of our trio, was part time in the office when she wasn't at her other job ballet choreographer, she trained with Ballet Rambert but was too short to progress to the corps de ballet. We all had the same sense of ridiculousness and piss taking, although we did actually do some work, a lot of the time was spent snorting with laughter about something or other. We were mates both in and out of the office, ballet friend often managed to get us tickets to West End shows, and working for Chartered Accountants we also chummed up with some of the Chinese Article Clerks who knew the best restaurants in Chinatown. I think I always loved the cosmopolitan vibe that London offered. Those were great times being simultaneously imbued in the behind the scenes of the world of ballet, West Indian culture, Chinese cuisine. Later on I was to work for a Jewish firm and that was also an education, well all of it much removed from the mono cultured and insular world of my convent school back in Surrey. I look back on those days with great fondness and especially as I made a friend for life. Yes at times she has suffered racism, but took herself out of South London when her son was infant school having split from her husband and decamped into the depths of very white Hampshire, because she didn't want him drawn into gang life later. Because of her very outgoing personality she didn't have trouble assimilating. A half sister of hers who lives and works in the US found it very strange that her English sister has a coterie of white, very close friends, because in Texas never the twain shall meet and as a frequent visitor to the US she does admit that race relations are a problem there.

I think ,or I like to think, most people irrespective of their race will try to get on with the neighbours, unless they are complete bigots, well of course those exist. Openness can only be achieved if it's there on both sides. I think problems have occurred when enclaves of different ethnicities remain separate, don't learn the language, wish to change aspects of the parent culture, and criticise their host country, none of which is conducive to race relations, underpinned more recently by a spate of terrorist attacks on home soil. The indigenous, I use that word hesitatingly, because most of us aren't intrinsically Anglo Saxon, but nevertheless feel rooted in a British culture, In some areas over not so many years, there will be those who now feel they are living in some parallel foreign state where their own culture has been subsumed by other overwhelming influences which are alien to them. Unfortunately if great swathes of newcomers stay within parameters set by a far more draconian and rigid culture which doesn't really assuage with our own then inevitably there are going to be states within a state that aren't anchored by the ideals of the host country. The recent programme Simon Reeves made about Scandinavia illustrated an initiative by Denmark in particular to break up communities who lived like that and scatter them because their desire, particularly for women is that they absorb Danish values. Some will see that as draconian others will see it as a way forward. Immigration was different back a couple of generations ago, when my grandfather came to this country it wasn't really possible to stay connected to the parent country, only by letter and so the onus was to move on, now in some cultures people can move here but still live in a way that isn't that different from whence they came and that has widened the gap.

Maremia Tue 16-Sept-25 17:01:35

Yes GG13 and Grantanow, but the question remains, why all the protests now, why not during the Tory Times?

Maremia Tue 16-Sept-25 17:05:41

TerriBull, that is a very affirming post. Have you any idea how the Scandinavian integration programme is working?

TerriBull Tue 16-Sept-25 17:13:51

Maremia

TerriBull, that is a very affirming post. Have you any idea how the Scandinavian integration programme is working?

Honestly no idea! I'd like to think it's working and maybe that will be easier as their population, unlike ours is quite small. I expect they have looked towards their neighbour Sweden and are trying not to emulate some of their gang related ghetto problems. In some respects I thought some of their methods were a bit harsh when I was watching it, but I do think to move forward there is a need to assimilate incomers and expect them to respect the values of their host country.

foxie48 Tue 16-Sept-25 17:15:05

Oreo

foxie48

apologies to Ronib it seems it was oreo who elevated me to the Elite as a result of my flag waving comment, not Ronib.

No, you were only one of those in a protective bubble 😜

Oreo you know me only by what I choose to post on here, you can make assumptions but tbh I think you should keep those assumptions to yourself and rather than try to put me down personally, focus on engaging with what I post. I made a number of points in my post but you chose to make a personal comment about me. I do not live in a protective bubble and as far as I know, other posters don't either. I don't post the assumptions that I might make about you, so please don't do it to me.

Mollygo Tue 16-Sept-25 18:19:00

^Why the need to mention that the man was from Eastern Europe. Just saying 🤷‍♀️
His nationality wasn’t at all relevant to the rudeness.^
Petra. you make a very good point.
Just a smidgeon of racism in that comment.

AGAA4 Tue 16-Sept-25 18:31:43

Mollygo

^Why the need to mention that the man was from Eastern Europe. Just saying 🤷‍♀️
His nationality wasn’t at all relevant to the rudeness.^
Petra. you make a very good point.
Just a smidgeon of racism in that comment.

I found it hypocritical

Babs03 Tue 16-Sept-25 18:31:50

Maremia

Yes GG13 and Grantanow, but the question remains, why all the protests now, why not during the Tory Times?

Simply because the Tories do tend to swerve bullets no matter how bad they are and Labour is right in the firing line, which is kind of bizarre because Labour are very similar to the Tories with regard to clamping down on small boats, no matter how ineffectual their attempts so far - again like the Tories.
But old habits die hard, even though Labour is about as left wing as the Pope is Buddhist there are those who will attack them regardless.

Doodledog Tue 16-Sept-25 18:38:49

AGAA4

Mollygo

^Why the need to mention that the man was from Eastern Europe. Just saying 🤷‍♀️
His nationality wasn’t at all relevant to the rudeness.^
Petra. you make a very good point.
Just a smidgeon of racism in that comment.

I found it hypocritical

I don't see how the man from Easter Europe could have accused Wyllow of racism had be been the same race as she is, so his heritage was relevant. Not to the rudeness but to the accusation.

Let's not look for racism where it isn't there? It's very clear that Wyllow is not racist, and there is nothing to gain by accusing her of such.

Mollygo Tue 16-Sept-25 18:53:05

What Wyllow said.

Sure, I had just one nasty moment when an arrogant man from Eastern Europe accused me of being racist because I asked him not to use his mobile near me (they are banned but it does happen, and it was very loud) but I took it to the deputy manager who poured oil on troubled waters.

She asked an arrogant man not to use his mobile phone.
She asked a man from Eastern Europe not to use his phone.

Allira Tue 16-Sept-25 19:10:45

The man called Wyllow racist which is odd unless the Eastern European was of a different race to her in.

His nationality was irrelevant, as was hers.

Doodledog Tue 16-Sept-25 19:18:30

But he couldn't have called her racist if their races were the same. I would have said that Eastern Europeans are Caucasians, as (I assume) is Wyllow, so it's probably all academic, anyway, but it has he that brought it up, not Wyllow herself.

In any case, it is very clear from her posts that Wyllow is not remotely racist, so I'm not sure where this is coming from unless people are looking for ways to be hurtful. Perish the thought, eh?

foxie48 Tue 16-Sept-25 19:30:10

FGS, it's an example of someone calling out "racism" when it clearly isn't.Why are people attacking Wyllow? I just don't get it and it adds nothing to the discussion. No doubt you'll start on me next, tin hat is in place! Come on, can we just try to avoid personal nastiness and move on, please?

Allira Tue 16-Sept-25 19:38:14

Doodledog

But he couldn't have called her racist if their races were the same. I would have said that Eastern Europeans are Caucasians, as (I assume) is Wyllow, so it's probably all academic, anyway, but it has he that brought it up, not Wyllow herself.

In any case, it is very clear from her posts that Wyllow is not remotely racist, so I'm not sure where this is coming from unless people are looking for ways to be hurtful. Perish the thought, eh?

Well, it's ridiculous.

Even if he had been a different race, asking (nicely) that he not use his mobile phone near her was not remotely racist!

Allira Tue 16-Sept-25 19:39:59

foxie48

FGS, it's an example of someone calling out "racism" when it clearly isn't.Why are people attacking Wyllow? I just don't get it and it adds nothing to the discussion. No doubt you'll start on me next, tin hat is in place! Come on, can we just try to avoid personal nastiness and move on, please?

Why are people attacking Wyllow?
They're not.

They're saying that the man was being ridiculous.
And provocative.

Babs03 Tue 16-Sept-25 19:40:52

Just came back to this thread and am confused. Wyllow is the very last person I would ever think of as racist. Where is this coming from?
Strange.
I think we should just call this out as a desperate attempt by someone to hijack the thread by being disingenuous and nasty.

Babs03 Tue 16-Sept-25 19:42:03

Oh ok Allira, sorry, thought someone was having a pop at Wyllow.
Is a confusing conversation though.

Allira Tue 16-Sept-25 19:44:37

Babs03

Oh ok Allira, sorry, thought someone was having a pop at Wyllow.
Is a confusing conversation though.

I don't think they are.
I think posters are reading things that aren't there.

foxie48 Tue 16-Sept-25 19:52:44

^"Why the need to mention that the man was from Eastern Europe. Just saying 🤷‍♀️
His nationality wasn’t at all relevant to the rudeness.^
Petra. you make a very good point.
Just a smidgeon of racism in that comment."

I think it was this post that caused the confusion! Anyway, just let's move on!

Doodledog Tue 16-Sept-25 19:54:28

Allira

Doodledog

But he couldn't have called her racist if their races were the same. I would have said that Eastern Europeans are Caucasians, as (I assume) is Wyllow, so it's probably all academic, anyway, but it has he that brought it up, not Wyllow herself.

In any case, it is very clear from her posts that Wyllow is not remotely racist, so I'm not sure where this is coming from unless people are looking for ways to be hurtful. Perish the thought, eh?

Well, it's ridiculous.

Even if he had been a different race, asking (nicely) that he not use his mobile phone near her was not remotely racist!

Agreed.

Allira Tue 16-Sept-25 20:00:45

Some of our family are from Eastern Europe.
I must say that they don't all have gentle, quiet voices 😁

Oreo Tue 16-Sept-25 21:04:30

Allira

Some of our family are from Eastern Europe.
I must say that they don't all have gentle, quiet voices 😁

Am now thinking of Borat 😂

Mollygo Tue 16-Sept-25 21:11:39

Even if he had been a different race, asking (nicely) that he not use his mobile phone near her was not remotely racist!

It was mentioning his race on here that made it potentially racist. Not asking him to stop using his phone at the gym.

Wyllow3 Tue 16-Sept-25 21:15:49

Mollygo

What Wyllow said.

Sure, I had just one nasty moment when an arrogant man from Eastern Europe accused me of being racist because I asked him not to use his mobile near me (they are banned but it does happen, and it was very loud) but I took it to the deputy manager who poured oil on troubled waters.

She asked an arrogant man not to use his mobile phone.
She asked a man from Eastern Europe not to use his phone.

Well thats just a silly comment Mollygo. he decided to use the term to try and put me down and shut me up is all.

I specified where he came from because he is not obviously a person of colour, who might perhaps make the assumption wrongly or rightly.

Water off.

I wouldn't have the friendships I do there if I was racist.

Mollygo Tue 16-Sept-25 21:27:42

I said your comment on GN, labelling him by race, was racist.
As I’ve previously been the victim of some of your “silly comments” I’m unmoved by your comment.
Like you and many others on GN, I also have friends and acquaintances at work, the gym, choir etc, who fit every possible ist situation that arises. 😄