1 in 1 out, not even off the ground at first attempt.

The government cannot just believe anything that asylum seekers tell them.All sorts of porky pies are employed to claim asylum here.See if he wants to stay in France, the French say that returned AS will be free to come and go and the gangs there have agreed to help them get back here for free, having paid once.

Reportedly, many conscripts live in terrible conditions, and are essentially used for slave labor, subjected to severe physical punishments for trying to escape, and are at the mercy of their commanders
Sounds a bit like National Service. If we bring that back, they’ll be right home! 😏

This is wholly & totally out of control .
In the words of the ‘Kaiser Chiefs ‘ “ I predict a riot “ oh wait it’s happening already !!

What an absolute nightmare , it’s obvious that the selected government & the ones in waiting have no idea how to handle this .
People are making money left right & centre , from the somewhat greedy & unorthodox people taking money from the boat people .
To the quangos set up to house these people , hotels being used solely for housing purposes.

It is beyond a nightmare .

You know that you can under strict guidelines rent out your property for seven years to house asylum seekers awaiting legal authority to remain . The rent is paid ,if even a light bulb 💡 goes it is replaced . All maintenance is covered within that contract with whatever govt agency.
Not to mention the benefits system plus education & NHS services.

So, money to be made , mortgages paid & meanwhile we have people on waiting lists for local housing properties who don’t have the means for a 3 month deposit on private rent .

A complete & utter mess all round . Whatever my political stances my vote in future will be for the party that actually supports dealing with this incoming frenzy .

In my area , we have had flags Union Jacks & St George’s flags placed around the town . I’m not in favour of this action , but I can see how people are rightfully fed up to the back teeth .

Meanwhile ,there are people I know whose titchy tiny private pension will take them above any threshold for claiming pension credits ,wfa & whatever else , crazy .
Though I am aware that is a whole different subject entirely.

All other aspects of immigration aside, I think what irritates me most was the back-patting and hand-shaking between Starmer and Macron over the one in, one out scheme.
To be fair, Macron had little to lose, but Starmer heralded it as such a success he must now be feeling a bit glum now.

Oreo

The government cannot just believe anything that asylum seekers tell them.All sorts of porky pies are employed to claim asylum here.See if he wants to stay in France, the French say that returned AS will be free to come and go and the gangs there have agreed to help them get back here for free, having paid once.

For free? Pull the other one.

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

You only have his word for that!

In our area a couple claimed asylum here claiming they were from war torn Congo. They were given a house, furniture, food, cash, everything they needed. She was encouraged to join a college course and he found work.

They thought they had played a blinder until they had a row, he killed her and dumped her in a ditch. Only when her body was found did extensive enquiries take place and the authorities looked very stupid when it was discovered they had been living happily in Germany or Holland for many years not the Congo.

Starmer is now one more step nearer to a vote of no confidence and a leadership challenge. But who will its be?

Andy Burnham is being touted but needs a bi-election to first become an MP.

That’s the message some of the gangs have been spreading valdavi but who knows?

friendlygingercat

Starmer is now one more step nearer to a vote of no confidence and a leadership challenge. But who will its be?

Andy Burnham is being touted but needs a bi-election to first become an MP.

You have the best user name on this site 🐈

If Burnham it may be 3rd time lucky, was it 2010 leadership contest 5 applicants he was 4th, Ed Milliband won ?

If this situation is not resolved soon, the UK along with most of Europe will be unrecognisable in a few short years.

friendlygingercat

The human rights bunch will always step in until we suspend the ECHR and 1951 migrant agreements.

How did Australia get around these for their tough immigration policy? They established agreements with other countries to process asylum seekers outside Australia so that they could not seek asylum within the country. In essence, Australia's strategy involves an "externalization" of its border protection policies, shifting the responsibility for housing and processing asylum seekers to other nations.

I doubt any British government (other than Reform) would adopt this stance.

Hopefully not.

Oreo

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

Or so he claims?

The Eritrean passport does not state nationality nor is it issued until after military service is completed, apparently.
Men and women are conscripted for 18 months, receive some military training then work on construction projects or agriculture.
However, the period of conscription is often longer than the initial time.

Seems this is popular topic - three threads on it here! I can honestly say I've not heard a peep about it here in French newspapers, or on tv. It really isn't of any importance to them - or they knew it was doomed to fail.
The French are far more interested in blocking everything tomorrow over the cost of living. Everyone wants more money and cheaper bills, that's the bottom line.

The only solution I can see to the migrants and small boats problem is for asylum seekers to have their claims processed in Calais, then to allow them safe passage to the UK. But this requires the full cooperation of the French! We could even pay for hotels in Northern France to house them, (maybe cheaper than UK hotels) and feed them, but no UK benefits until they arrive, and then 3 months to find work.

JenniferEccles

If this situation is not resolved soon, the UK along with most of Europe will be unrecognisable in a few short years.

In what way will the countries be unrecognisable? Will mountains and rivers be moved?

@growstuff. With an ageing population and a falling birthrate, it is reasonable to assume that increasing immigration will change the demographic makeup of the UK over time. I make no comment on whether this is a good or bad thing save for making the comment that we do need workers to pay for increasing levels of retirement; care and other social costs.

Even the Labour Party cannot giveaway money at will if the size of the pot is decreasing.

As long as Human Rights people are/get involved it'll never stop them coming in or being returned, no matter who the government are.

Ladyleftfieldlover

It took the Tories 14 years to get absolutely nowhere with their immigration plan!

and anything that the Tories did in 14 years, Labour does in months.

The government have been returning immigrants in greater numbers than in the previous ones.

Failing to send people 'back' was an equally common occurence under the previous governments too so I take this thread as just being another reason to have a go at the PM.

Oreo

StripeyGran

This from The Guardian re somebody waiting to be sent back.

Fessahaye, is an asylum seeker from Eritrea who fled indefinite military conscription in his home country, and walked through the Sahara before being tortured and enslaved in Libya

Tortured and enslaved, think about it. Or rather don't.

Nobody is in favour of unregulated mass immigration but surely handling this with compassion would be something to feel proud of.

Or so he claims?

As I understand it, he has been asked to provide evidence in the next fortnight so they can set a date for a hearing. I wonder what will happen if he can't provide it.

RinseAndRepeat

@growstuff. With an ageing population and a falling birthrate, it is reasonable to assume that increasing immigration will change the demographic makeup of the UK over time. I make no comment on whether this is a good or bad thing save for making the comment that we do need workers to pay for increasing levels of retirement; care and other social costs.

Even the Labour Party cannot giveaway money at will if the size of the pot is decreasing.

Aha! So it's the changing "demographic profile" which people fear.

I don't see the direct connection between that and a thread on asylum seekers.

History demonstrates that countries' demographic profiles and ethnic backgrounds are in a constant state of change. There is nothing very different happening in the UK now, although you wouldn't know that from all the hyperbolic language (eg. mass, hoard, overrun, etc etc), which gets used.

Who is paying for the Human Rights Lawyers, and the never-ending appeals against being deported? We are! The long-suffering (but becoming increasingly annoyed) British public!

Kandinsky Think it may be people coming from Europe as we are a member of the ECHR, European Convention on Human Rights.
Human Rights lawyers must be very busy.

I take this thread as just being another reason to have a go at the PM.
Indeed. Starmer was initially so jubilant about the one in, one out, you'd think he'd won the lottery. Instead of which, it is a complete debacle. Silly man.

Wasn't Kier Starmer one of these Human Rights lawyers?? His heart isn't really in sending anyone back.

I agree.
But why is he making himself look even more[and I cant think of the right word], inept?

I wrote on a thread a couple of days ago[no idea which one] that he is not running the Country. There are about 3 other Labour people who are.
Are they deliberately "tripping him up"?