Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

growstuff
He said himself he was there to retrieve papers from the former family home.It may or may not be true, only he knows, but that’s what he says.
It is up to me if I wish to judge anyone actually. In this case I do blame the Father as the boy could have been left at home.

Oh I see, the UK has warned Israel? Wow that should make them sit up and think! Just one thing, how are we going to enforce that? Send Netanyahu to sit on the naughty step? As for the hostages how about, ' Hamas should never have taken them in the first place'. There's a thought?! Nothing that has been decided by our pathetic governments will do anything to make the situation better or a resolution closer. We maybe on the moral high ground, but almost certainly people on the real ground would much rather see proper diplomatic discussions that might actually bear some fruit, than meaningless platitudes, that reward one,side (that's how Hamas see it) and infuriate the other to the point that they have nothing to lose by being far more aggressive and intractable. If recognising this bogus State would actually solve something then there would be a point to it, but it doesn't, it just makes a bad situation very much worse, both now and the foreseeable future.

Babs03

What old chestnut Oreo??
Seems there are those on here happy enough to go back to the history of the Second World War and the Holocaust.
And that is because history matters, it puts what is happening today into context.
Nothing ever happens in a vacuum.

Not me I can assure you.We are where we are, which was until two years ago hamas were running things in Gaza and all was reasonably well apart from minor skirmishes then they decided to enter Israel under cover of darkness and murder over a thousand people.
I take it you agree so far?
After that Israel entered Gaza and left no stone unturned in finding and killing hamas members. Hamas could end the war right now by giving back the 40 live and dead Israelis and stop the deaths and destruction of their fellow Gazans but they won’t.There has never been a choice for Israel, they had to end the reign of hamas and that’s exactly what they’re doing.

We all know Israel does not allow journalists into the area. We all know why.

Oreo

growstuff

Oreo

We know nothing about the incident other than a one sided story.There was probably a group of men going into that zone and the 13 year old part of the group.
Who takes their son into a dangerous zone?

As you yourself wrote "we know nothing about the incident". Therefore, it follows that you don't know if a group of men was going into the zone and if the 13 year old was part of the group.
Therefore, your rhetorical question becomes meaningless because you don't know the background to the shooting.

Nobody truly knows bar the man and the IDF.
What we do know from his own tale about it is that at least he and his son were in a heavily restricted zone , very dangerous on a mission to find some papers he wanted.If the papers were so important he could have asked permission to get them, not to go there and take a child with him.
It’s always awful to hear that a child has been killed but he should never have been in that place, the Father must bear some responsibility for it.

You still have no idea why he was there. It's not up to you to judge the father.

Victim blaming Oreo

growstuff

Oreo

We know nothing about the incident other than a one sided story.There was probably a group of men going into that zone and the 13 year old part of the group.
Who takes their son into a dangerous zone?

As you yourself wrote "we know nothing about the incident". Therefore, it follows that you don't know if a group of men was going into the zone and if the 13 year old was part of the group.
Therefore, your rhetorical question becomes meaningless because you don't know the background to the shooting.

Nobody truly knows bar the man and the IDF.
What we do know from his own tale about it is that at least he and his son were in a heavily restricted zone , very dangerous on a mission to find some papers he wanted.If the papers were so important he could have asked permission to get them, not to go there and take a child with him.
It’s always awful to hear that a child has been killed but he should never have been in that place, the Father must bear some responsibility for it.

What old chestnut Oreo??
Seems there are those on here happy enough to go back to the history of the Second World War and the Holocaust.
And that is because history matters, it puts what is happening today into context.
Nothing ever happens in a vacuum.

It was a sarcastic really?!

Oreo

Babs03

Oreo

Jabberwok nice to see some clear thinking on this issue rather than the woolly stuff routinely thrown up.
When this government loses badly at the next election, a given btw and entirely of their own doing, maybe the incoming government can rescind their recognition of a State which doesn’t exist.
Starmer caves in to everything, in this case the left in the Party, some of his own MP’s and fear of losing the Muslim vote.

There are lots of non Muslims who support Starmer in making this decision and they aren’t all left leaning politically either.

Really?!

Well, there's one here and I don't mind being counted.

How many times does it have to be repeated that the hostages were set to be released 6 months ago, in March, but Israel broke the agreement and began the bombing of Gaza again.
The families must realise that their government are so fixed on clearing Gaza @nd the West Bank of the Palestinians and don’t give a damn about getting the hostages back.
As for going to ones own house fir one’s own documents or anything else, there can be no blame on the father but all the blame goes on the IDF for the unnecessary wicked murder of a young boy in cold blood.
These young soldiers are going to have to live with what they are doing now, for the rest of their lives.

Oreo

We know nothing about the incident other than a one sided story.There was probably a group of men going into that zone and the 13 year old part of the group.
Who takes their son into a dangerous zone?

As you yourself wrote "we know nothing about the incident". Therefore, it follows that you don't know if a group of men was going into the zone and if the 13 year old was part of the group.
Therefore, your rhetorical question becomes meaningless because you don't know the background to the shooting.

Oreo

silverlining48

Thanks Babs. Hoping it might clarify history for those who still think this all began completely out if the blue, on 7 October 2023.

Oh please! Not that old chestnut yet again.

No, it possibly began about 587BC.

The IDF are 'looking into' why a 13 year old was shot. You are making suppositions about what happened Oreo but the reality is a child was killed.

Babs03

AGAA4

The IDF shot a 13 year old boy standing next to his father. The father asked him why and there was no answer. This is just one example of the brutality of Israel. They kill children.

They shoot anything that moves and don’t even ask questions later.

Are you there in Gaza or the West Bank witnessing this?

We know nothing about the incident other than a one sided story.There was probably a group of men going into that zone and the 13 year old part of the group.
Who takes their son into a dangerous zone?

Like it clarified things about the tunnels silverlining48 🤔

So it was fine to shoot the child then Oreo?

silverlining48

Thanks Babs. Hoping it might clarify history for those who still think this all began completely out if the blue, on 7 October 2023.

Oh please! Not that old chestnut yet again.

Babs03

Oreo

Jabberwok nice to see some clear thinking on this issue rather than the woolly stuff routinely thrown up.
When this government loses badly at the next election, a given btw and entirely of their own doing, maybe the incoming government can rescind their recognition of a State which doesn’t exist.
Starmer caves in to everything, in this case the left in the Party, some of his own MP’s and fear of losing the Muslim vote.

There are lots of non Muslims who support Starmer in making this decision and they aren’t all left leaning politically either.

Really?!

Thanks Babs. Hoping it might clarify history for those who still think this all began completely out if the blue, on 7 October 2023.

AGAA4

The IDF shot a 13 year old boy standing next to his father. The father asked him why and there was no answer. This is just one example of the brutality of Israel. They kill children.

I read that report with deep scepticism.The Father said he had gone into that zone to ‘retrieve some papers from his former home’ when he knew that he shouldn’t have been there, a very risky thing to do, and why take your 13 year old into a dangerous situation?

AGAA4

The IDF shot a 13 year old boy standing next to his father. The father asked him why and there was no answer. This is just one example of the brutality of Israel. They kill children.

They shoot anything that moves and don’t even ask questions later.

Jaberwok

So, recognising a state that doesn't exist, infuriating Israel into the bargain, will make the war in Gaza miraculously come to an end?! If Hamas were to release the hostages then it would stand a chance of ending but as from today , having been given the green light from the West, they clearly never will, so what or who can persuade Israel to sue for peace in the knowledge that a hostile state will be set up with the blessing of its so called allies in the West,A State that in all probability will be hell bent on destroying every Jew that they can lay their hands on? Why on earth would Israel do that?! A very bad situation has just been made infinitely worse! Why is no one in the West calling for the release of the hostages? Is it anti semitism? Are the UN anti semitic? they certainly gave a good impression of it the other day! Is hatred of Jews the real reason the world has forgotten those poor souls, of of course that's if they're still alive?

How on earth are Hamas supposed to release the hostages if Netanyahu won’t agree to talks in order to arrange a ceasefire. Without a ceasefire if Hamas try to release the hostages they are likely to be picked off by the IDF or bombed to bits.
Seems the families of the hostages know who is to blame, some of them have been camped outside Netanyahu’s house.

Oreo

Jabberwok nice to see some clear thinking on this issue rather than the woolly stuff routinely thrown up.
When this government loses badly at the next election, a given btw and entirely of their own doing, maybe the incoming government can rescind their recognition of a State which doesn’t exist.
Starmer caves in to everything, in this case the left in the Party, some of his own MP’s and fear of losing the Muslim vote.

There are lots of non Muslims who support Starmer in making this decision and they aren’t all left leaning politically either.