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Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 10:16:17

4 of the 5 conditions are fulfilled.

UN report.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 27-Sept-25 01:12:05

There was swift condemnation of Netanyahus speech in Israel.

Yair Lapid “ today saw a weary and whining prime minister’s speech, overloaded with overused gimmicks.
Instead of stopping the diplomatic tsunami (world diplomats turning away from Israel) Netanyahu, todsy, worsened the state of the State of Israel”

Yair Golan. “ the speech showed only victimhood, sanctimoniousness, and complete blindness to the suffering of the hostages and the sacrifice of the fighters”
He labelled the loudspeaker stunt as “invalid, childish and insane - it was a propaganda show”

Anniebach Fri 26-Sept-25 21:58:45

Quote foxie48 Fri 26-Sept-25 21:55:04
Well Netanyahu has stated what his is, the destruction of Hamas. How will he know he's achieved it? Well he won't, will he? But it gives him the perfect excuse to continue the war and keep himself out of jail.

Back to the first allegation, not the luxury holiday resort .

foxie48 Fri 26-Sept-25 21:55:04

Well Netanyahu has stated what his is, the destruction of Hamas. How will he know he's achieved it? Well he won't, will he? But it gives him the perfect excuse to continue the war and keep himself out of jail.

Anniebach Fri 26-Sept-25 21:47:07

How is results wanted by Israelis known, a guess yes but not a fact

foxie48 Fri 26-Sept-25 21:21:28

Doesn't mean that I agree with it though "FGT" and a year on he's still keeping the war going despite all the deaths of civilians in Gaza and the release of hostages being almost solely through negotiated ceasefires. I'd have thought by now he might have decided his tactics were not delivering the results wanted by many Israelis.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 26-Sept-25 20:36:01

Indeed foxie.

foxie48 Fri 26-Sept-25 20:34:31

It's an opinion piece from Sept 2024, so more than a year old. Other people have different opinions but I'm pleased that you see that The Washington Post, despite it being dissed recently by another poster, is prepared to print a variety of different opinions. It's what good reporting is about IMO.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 26-Sept-25 20:27:15

From the Washington Post:

“ … the claim that Netanyahu is driven by ulterior motives appears to be strongly influencing liberal opinion about the war in Israel and the United States. It’s worth taking seriously and teasing out.”

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/09/06/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-hostages-hamas/

Anniebach Fri 26-Sept-25 19:45:46

There are many posts speaking of MSF working in Gaza,

AGAA4 Fri 26-Sept-25 19:25:18

MSF are unable to help in Gaza due to the fierce bombing by Israel. They say there's no doubt that genocide is taking place.

foxie48 Fri 26-Sept-25 19:12:40

FriedGreenTomatoes2

foxie I still think it’s disgraceful behaviour from the UN delegates who walked out. … shame the hostages can't do the same.

I want to see the hostages walk free, they are pawns in a vile game but so are most Palestinians and they have been suffering too. Netanyahu is keeping this war going to save his own skin and tbh, I'd have walked out as well.

Babs03 Fri 26-Sept-25 18:53:58

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Because growstuff I agree with the stance Netanyahu is taking. It is a war against terrorism. Barbaric acts from HAMAS produced retribution. Gaza needs to be rid of the terrorists.

HAMAS of course could stop all this right now.

Just release the 48 hostages. One has to wonder why they don’t?

Have said this many times but obviously not paying attention to simple facts suits your agenda.
So here it is. Again.
Hamas cannot desist or release the hostages until there is a ceasefire, and time and again Netanyahu has refused to agree to a ceasefire.
Perhaps you suggest Hamas just let the hostages walk free into a hail of bullets from the IDF or beneath another bunker busting bomb. Unless there is a ceasefire how can this happen.
Am surprised I must say that you swallow whatever Trump and Netanyahu say, I find that at best naive and at worst speaking to your own deeply held prejudices.
Even Israelis question their own government and those close to Trump are often sacked and then publicly question the president.
Very strange.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 26-Sept-25 18:11:34

How dare you call people who despair about the killing in Gaza antisemitic

You put words in my mouth growstuff.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 26-Sept-25 18:10:07

Because growstuff I agree with the stance Netanyahu is taking. It is a war against terrorism. Barbaric acts from HAMAS produced retribution. Gaza needs to be rid of the terrorists.

HAMAS of course could stop all this right now.

Just release the 48 hostages. One has to wonder why they don’t?

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 26-Sept-25 18:06:47

foxie I still think it’s disgraceful behaviour from the UN delegates who walked out. … shame the hostages can't do the same.

growstuff Fri 26-Sept-25 18:05:52

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Netanyahu today “When will you learn you can’t appease your way out of jihad?”

Go Israel. 🇮🇱

"Go Israel"?

Do you really mean that?

Are you positively supporting a genocidal state?

How dare you call people who despair about the killing in Gaza antisemitic, when you can write what you have done!

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:57:43

Netanyahu today “When will you learn you can’t appease your way out of jihad?”

Go Israel. 🇮🇱

foxie48 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:18:36

FGT The UN is a collaboration of 193 countries which have signed up to the following (taken from AI)
"to uphold the principles and purposes of the UN Charter, which include maintaining international peace and security, developing friendly relations, achieving international cooperation on global issues, and promoting human rights. By signing the Charter, a member state accepts its obligations and pledges to settle disputes peacefully, ensuring the rights and benefits of membership are secured for all states"
Unfortunately, the UN relies on the cooperation of member states and we have three members who currently do not do this. ie The US, Israel and Russia. It doesn't help that the US and Russia are members of the UN security council and that the US has welcomed Netanyahu to the US when Netanyahu has an arrest warrant issued against him by the International Criminal Court. I think it would be more accurate to blame those countries that are ignoring what they agreed to when they signed up to the UN. If they don't agree perhaps they should just leave?

Babs03 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:18:23

We can all find quotes made by Golda Meir.
Not all will suit your mindset though FGT.

Babs03 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:16:30

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Golda Meir (Prime Minister of Israel 1969-1974) said this:
“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive them for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when they love their children more than they hate us.”

These wonderfully astute words reveal the unbridgeable moral chasm between Israel and the Palestinians.

Tragically, the Palestinian apologists are too blinkered by their irrational antisemitism to accept this simple but profound truth.

From wiki

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"There was no such thing as Palestinians" is part of a widely repeated statement by Golda Meir, the then Israeli prime minister, in her second month in office, made in an interview with Frank Giles, then deputy editor of The Sunday Times on June 15, 1969, to mark the second anniversary of the Six-Day War.

Meir in 1969
It is considered to be the most famous example of Israeli denial of a distinct Palestinian identity.[1] The quote has been frequently used to illustrate Israel's denial of Palestinian history, and is considered to sum up the Palestinians' sense of victimization by Israel.[2] It is considered to be a successor to the early Christian Zionist phrase "A land without a people for a people without a land".[3]

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:13:59

Trump it seems isn't wrong about the UN. 👏

Babs03 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:11:40

Correction - is abusing that power daily.

Babs03 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:10:40

Oreo

That’s a loaded question.There are many good doctors who participate in third world countries or anywhere that has a state of emergency.
There will be many such working in Gaza, but there will also be doctors with Palestinian sympathies who are politically engaged as well.

Well it was a loaded question, you’re right about that, but it frustrates me when you and others of course see anyone who has an affinity with the long suffering Palestinians or just deeply sympathise with them and understand their struggle politically as somehow sympathetic to Hamas or antisemitic.
The Palestinian struggle went on long before Hamas and will no doubt go on long afterwards, and I do support them in that struggle without supporting Hamas or any group using violence against innocent Israelis. A lot of people feel the same.
Nobody is dismissing the struggle of the Israeli people either, but right now their government is not being victimised but is in a position of power and are abusing that power daily..

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:09:47

It was a great speech by Netanyahu. Those who walked out should be ashamed. Imagine being so determined not to hear the truth.

Allira Fri 26-Sept-25 17:09:39

Dr Rahmeh Aladwan brings her profession into disrepute.

Her social media posts and words are causing suspicion to be cast on others who are doing wonderful work in Gaza.