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Sago Thu 18-Sept-25 06:51:42

Another dangerous illegal immigrant being housed courtesy of the British tax payer.

Abdelrahmen Abouelela was in a bomb making cell in Egypt, they were planning terrorist attacks.

He found his way to Turkey where he now has a wife and child.
He left them and arrived illegally in the UK

Home Office officials spent 17 months pondering over whether or not to grant his asylum application, despite apparently knowing of his bomb-making conviction, before he raped the vulnerable woman in Hyde Park last November.

17 months to decide if should be granted asylum……this should have taken 17 seconds and now a poor woman has been raped.

I would love to know how much this man will have cost us by the time he ends his prison sentence then approaches the ECHR and will no doubt avoid deportation.

Allira Sun 21-Sept-25 14:55:18

nanna8

I don’t know whether it is the same in the uk but here the discipline in private schools seems to be better as regards students. A lot of time is spent dealing with rowdy pupils in some of the state schools- to the detriment of the rest of the pupils. That is a big reason for opting for private schools. They can expel pupils for bad behaviour. Stare schools really can’t unless extreme violence occurs. My experience also was that the private schools know who all their pupils are, it shows at the parent interviews. State schools, not so much - unless the pupil is very disruptive or very brainy.

Many private schools in Australia seem to be less expensive than private schools here, although I am aware that the fees at some can be really expensive.
Catholic schools, for instance, are relatively inexpensive compared to UK private schools and are quite strict.

Allira Sun 21-Sept-25 14:57:23

Yes, I concur with what growstuff said.

It is possible (thankfully) but a lengthy and difficult process.

Cumbrianmale56 Sun 21-Sept-25 15:25:55

growstuff

nanna8

I don’t know whether it is the same in the uk but here the discipline in private schools seems to be better as regards students. A lot of time is spent dealing with rowdy pupils in some of the state schools- to the detriment of the rest of the pupils. That is a big reason for opting for private schools. They can expel pupils for bad behaviour. Stare schools really can’t unless extreme violence occurs. My experience also was that the private schools know who all their pupils are, it shows at the parent interviews. State schools, not so much - unless the pupil is very disruptive or very brainy.

Private schools can expel pupils more easily. As a state secondary school teacher, I often had to teach pupils who had been expelled from private schools. As the parents are paying, they will usually try to get their offspring to behave, but if that doesn't work, the pupils will be asked to leave and often end up in state schools. The parents decide it's not worth wasting money on them. State schools have to go through lengthy processes before they can get rid of badly behaved pupils.

I suppose, being a private enterprise, someone who is seen as disruptive and showing no interest in coursework is easier to expel from an independent school as they are wasting the school 's time and their parents money. I doubt a parent who is paying 40k a year to an independent school would want to continue paying a large sum of money if their son or daughter is messing about, getting poor grades and showing no interest schoolwork, so expulsion is easier.

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 17:56:19

Talking upthread about demographs supporting which party, the demographs who actually vote are the ones that matter.

growstuff Sun 21-Sept-25 18:10:09

Cumbrianmale56

growstuff

nanna8

I don’t know whether it is the same in the uk but here the discipline in private schools seems to be better as regards students. A lot of time is spent dealing with rowdy pupils in some of the state schools- to the detriment of the rest of the pupils. That is a big reason for opting for private schools. They can expel pupils for bad behaviour. Stare schools really can’t unless extreme violence occurs. My experience also was that the private schools know who all their pupils are, it shows at the parent interviews. State schools, not so much - unless the pupil is very disruptive or very brainy.

Private schools can expel pupils more easily. As a state secondary school teacher, I often had to teach pupils who had been expelled from private schools. As the parents are paying, they will usually try to get their offspring to behave, but if that doesn't work, the pupils will be asked to leave and often end up in state schools. The parents decide it's not worth wasting money on them. State schools have to go through lengthy processes before they can get rid of badly behaved pupils.

I suppose, being a private enterprise, someone who is seen as disruptive and showing no interest in coursework is easier to expel from an independent school as they are wasting the school 's time and their parents money. I doubt a parent who is paying 40k a year to an independent school would want to continue paying a large sum of money if their son or daughter is messing about, getting poor grades and showing no interest schoolwork, so expulsion is easier.

Private schools are under no obligation to take all pupils. They can refuse any pupil they want, although I assume they have admissions policies in place, which mean they can expel for disrupting the well-being of others (or something like that).

Local authorities have a statutory duty to educate every child living within their boundaries. Before academisation, authorities could compel schools to take expelled pupils if they had places (which is one reason schools were always so keen to fill all their places).

These days it's a little more complicated. Authorities are still compelled to fund education, but if they can't find an appropriate school, they might have to pay for the child to be home-schooled.

Strangely enough, some parents are prepared to pay a fortune for their badly-behaved children to be educated. They are the kind of parents who can't accept that there might be something wrong with the child's behaviour. They blame some kind of learning difficulty, the school, individual teachers, the system, but never what's been going on at home or even genetics.

Before I finally retired, I worked as a private tutor and I came across a couple of pupils who were impossible to teach even one-to-one. Both were at very prestigious public schools, where they were already in small classes. After a few lessons, I had to tell the parents that I thought they were wasting their money.