Update on migrant crisis. It’s now 3 OUT, 1,061 IN today.

Probably just as well as members of the previous government! Bear in mind that we are an island so can’t just stick up a great big wall.

It can't go on like this, what's happening to this isle of ours is scary. Doesn't it bother Starmer? I certainly wouldn't sleep if it was my responsibility to sort it out.

Ladyleftfieldlover

Probably just as well as members of the previous government! Bear in mind that we are an island so can’t just stick up a great big wall.

Australia is an island too but they only allow in those who arrive legally and who offer their country something rather than those who are a drain on them.

Last time I looked you either had to be qualified in a job that Australia really needs and you have to have a large amount of savings behind you. I think the only other way is to have a sponsor over there who pledges to support you financially if the need arises. I think that is sensible and absolutely fair.

I was wondering about Australia. How did they stop the boat people there? I remember it being a problem.

Navy patrolling the edge of British waters.Blockade.

It isn’t a joke for the Afghans who helped fight the Taliban and are now being returned to face certain imprisonment if not worse.
As others keep saying, it’s pointless to expect Starmer to ‘fix’ what no one else has been able to.
This population shift is the result of disasters in the shape of flood and famine caused by climate change, and war caused by ideology and greed.
Some think that the unaffected West should be ready do what it can to help. Others don’t. That’s the size of it.

Our waters used to be a deterrent to invaders.
Now we send Coastguards to meet them half way and escort them in, while we pay for the privilege of housing them.
I think people are beginning to realize it was not entirely Tory ineptitude that resulted in so few illegal migrants being deported, rather the influence of Human Rights lawyers, of which Starmer is one.
My left-wing friends claim that the problem lies with the failure to process them quickly, which prevents them from working and earning, completely ignoring the fact that once they do earn, or receive benefits most of the money will go in paying off the huge amount of money they and their families back home, wherever that may be, have borrowed to fund their trip.
When illegal migrants are processed and earning, they pay back all the cost of housing, processing et al, stopped at source until their debt to this country is cleared.
Something has to be done to stop migration to this country being so attractive and easy.

Ha ha. I expected this to be a FGT thread!
Caught me out, Primrose!

There is only 20 miles of water to sail in order to get here from France. Australia would pose more of a problem for illegal entry wouldn't it?

winterwhite I am totally with you over this! Surely we should try and help.
Thanks to this country I am here my family escaped the Nazis!

From the Times today;

In May an open letter drafted by Italy and Denmark and signed by Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland said the ECHR had “limited our ability to make political decisions in our own democracies” by creating barriers to fighting illegal migration,

The ECHR needs to modify its ruling on immigation.

But can anyone see Starmer going in that direction?

Every day we are moving towards a Reform win at the next GE.
and it serves Labour right.

We know that many are escaping difficult conditions in their own countries, that's not the point. When they climb onboard rubber dinghies with no identification, mostly as single men, illegally mind you, we just cannot keep letting them in forever. Surely most people can see that. We are a relatively small island with our problems, this cannot go on.

Fartooold With respect, your family came legally, rightly so but this situation isn't the same.

Australia's policies violate international laws.

​*The Principle of Non-Refoulement (turning back boats when individuals in them may be in danger)
*Arbitrary and Indefinite Detention (they are trying to escape their human rights responsibilities by "outsourcing" to places where right are less in the first place).
*Violations of Human Rights (at the off-shore detention centres)

Indonesia to Australia is 220 miles as against the English Channel' 20ish.
It's a whole different magnitude

NotSpaghetti Australia will not take anybody they do not want, whichever way they get there. We should be doing the same.

People fly there and try to get in with all sorts of excuses but they are immediately extensively interviewed and hastily turned away. Their Border Force staff have heard every excuse in the book.

Primrose53 I was responding to someone upthread regarding only the boats.

Australia didn’t care about global opprobrium.
They just got their interests sorted. Didn’t do them any harm internationally. We look across with envy now from here.

No one is getting a grip.

Until we change our laws (which we can) or amend Article 8 of the ECHR then human rights lawyers will continue to challenge whatever we do.

The ball is in our court.

Aveline

I was wondering about Australia. How did they stop the boat people there? I remember it being a problem.

They didn’t have people arriving in rubber dinghies, they arrived in boats.

Easier to spot.

Only had 6, yes 6, illegals trying to enter last year apparently.

Operation Sovereign Borders.

If only we adopted a similar system.

But we are a soft touch.

Australia is so much tougher.

Primrose53

It’s much worse than the earlier thread about 2 migrants out, 400 in. It has become an absolute joke now. How Starmer and Mahmood can sleep at night I do not know.

You assume it all isnt happening just as they want.
Too early to tell about Mahmood in my opinion.

I have almost been telling myself not to write on this subject anymore.

I think the majority of people are against it all.

^Every day we are moving towards a Reform win at the next GE.
and it serves Labour right.^

If it does get near to that happening, I would think there will be some very dirty tricks happening indeed.

We look across with envy now from here

The Royal We again FGT.

I certainly don’t look at Australia with envy.

I’ve got close family there; I’ve been there.

Not somewhere I would like to live!

The thread title is a tad misleading. It is actually 3 out and 3 asylum seekers in (albeit, they are not due to be flown in until today). In the short term, nothing has changed: the boats just keep arriving and we really have no idea how to deal with them.

It is estimated that it will take 6.5 years to send just those who arrived yesterday back to France. Meantime another 1000 will have arrived.

eazybee

Our waters used to be a deterrent to invaders.
Now we send Coastguards to meet them half way and escort them in, while we pay for the privilege of housing them.
I think people are beginning to realize it was not entirely Tory ineptitude that resulted in so few illegal migrants being deported, rather the influence of Human Rights lawyers, of which Starmer is one.
My left-wing friends claim that the problem lies with the failure to process them quickly, which prevents them from working and earning, completely ignoring the fact that once they do earn, or receive benefits most of the money will go in paying off the huge amount of money they and their families back home, wherever that may be, have borrowed to fund their trip.
When illegal migrants are processed and earning, they pay back all the cost of housing, processing et al, stopped at source until their debt to this country is cleared.
Something has to be done to stop migration to this country being so attractive and easy.

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