Islamophobia

fancythat

Maremia

Would be very interested to know your own definition of 'racist'.

I dont know.
Hence me asking Ww2.
And the term Islamophobia.

It means quite different things to different people.

When in a hole, stop digging.

I am being very transparent.

Your turn for the questions.

What is your personal definition of the words racist and Islamophobia?

Thinking to start a new thread on this.

Care to explain your post petra? Didn't realise we had morphed onto a gardening thread.

Have a look back fancythat, I gave you the Cambridge definition of 'racist'.
Now, over to you to return the compliment. If you so wish.

In my opinion they went along due to feeling that the main parties are not listening to them or their every day struggles.

I would say that that is a fine cause to 'unite' against, I'd even go so far as to say that much of 'the country' probably agrees with it. But not on the coat tails of the likes of Steven Yaxley-Lennen.

MaizieD

^In my opinion they went along due to feeling that the main parties are not listening to them or their every day struggles.^

I would say that that is a fine cause to 'unite' against, I'd even go so far as to say that much of 'the country' probably agrees with it. But not on the coat tails of the likes of Steven Yaxley-Lennen.

Hopefully someone else will come along, maybe a centrist, who can gain momentum and unite the country

SYL is filling a vacuum, I would be interested to know who is backing him.

I have seen on SM that he has been refused entry to Columbia and Panama this week, I doubt if he was going for a holiday.

SYL is filling a vacuum, I would be interested to know who is backing him.

Well, Elon Musk for a start...

MaizieD

^SYL is filling a vacuum, I would be interested to know who is backing him.^

Well, Elon Musk for a start...

Yes, but that appears to be a recent addition.

SYL has been around for years, I hazard a guess that he hasn’t been self funding for all that time.

Just had a quick Google re SYL’s funding.

First names were Tristan Tate, and a pro-Israel think tank

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

SYL is filling a vacuum, I would be interested to know who is backing him.

Well, Elon Musk for a start...

Yes, but that appears to be a recent addition.

SYL has been around for years, I hazard a guess that he hasn’t been self funding for all that time.

According to this article in the Observer, it was somebody called Robert Shillman, a US tech billionaire.

observer.co.uk/news/national/article/us-cash-turned-tommy-robinson-into-the-poster-boy-of-uk-far-right

Islamophobia to me is a made up word.

I take it as meaning ‘being against the religion of Islam’.
That to me is fair enough. Religious zealotry mixed with medieval practices and punishments, males only called to prayer, imams while maybe not spreading hate are certainly not on a platform demonising the hot headed Muslims who are vehemently against our Western values.

I do have to ask myself why they come? Why are they here if they don’t want to integrate?

Now Islamophobia (to me) does not mean Muslim-ophobia.

See? It’s stupid.
Of course I don’t hate Muslims. If they are Good People.

I like being around good souls, whatever their colour or creed.

Bad, nasty vicious people come in all shapes and sizes (and colours). All different religions too.

Sectarianism raises its head in many guises in our country. I abhor all of it.

An article from 2019 in The Times of Israel, which mentions Robinson, Shillman and some others.

www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/

If people are concerned that the main UK political parties aren't listening to them, they should be more concerned about who is apparently listening and why.

I find it so strange that people complain that people from a different ethnic group don't "integrate" but when they try to, it's often exactly the same people who complain about them moving into "their" area. They can't win, can they?

^If people are concerned that the main UK political parties aren't listening to them, they should be more concerned about who is apparently listening and why.

^

Possibly.

But people want hope.

Hope has become scarce or not forthcoming any more.

But at least and last, many have now woken up to what the conservatives and Labour[up to now] have not delivered.

Hope is a very enticing and powerful word.

I have listened a but harder recently to what Kemi Badenoch has been saying

I start agreeing with her.
Yes, yes to what she says.
Then she ends it with "and the conservatives will do....." and I almost want to scream.
They had their chances and blew it, as far as I am concerned.
I am aware she was not the Leader back then. But even so.

I cant quite get over the hurdle of what actually happened when they were actually in power.

Thanks for the link growstuff very
interesting that Yaxley Lennon is being funded by supporters of Israel.

Islamophobia to me is a made up word.
I take it as meaning ‘being against the religion of Islam’.

It is a made-up word as you say and it does not, in fact, make much sense.

A phobia is a fear, a disorder which can cause physical symptoms and even a panic attack.

So, technically, Islamophobia means a fear of the Islamic religion whether rational or not.
Anti-semitism is hostility and hatred of the Jewish people, also whether rational or not.

So they have different meanings.

All words are made up.

AGAA4

Thanks for the link growstuff very
interesting that Yaxley Lennon is being funded by supporters of Israel.

Especially seeing as Yaxley Lennon and his thugs are also anti semites/Holocaust deniers, some with swastika tattooes.
Strange bedfellows.

Islamophobia is rooted in racism because much of the hate speech uses well known racist tropes and they are racially stereotyped as all being the same/ ‘not like us’.

growstuff

All words are made up.

Yes.

But the meaning is different, as I said.

Strangely, semitic referred to people who speak both Hebrew and Arabic.

fancythat

^If people are concerned that the main UK political parties aren't listening to them, they should be more concerned about who is apparently listening and why.

^

Possibly.

But people want hope.

Hope has become scarce or not forthcoming any more.

But at least and last, many have now woken up to what the conservatives and Labour[up to now] have not delivered.

Hope is a very enticing and powerful word.

Hope for what?

Seriously, what hope would Robinson, Farage and this lot give anybody?

They couldn't give a stuff about the people in the former industrial towns, where there's little work and the infrastructure is crumbling.

As an example, look at the CV of Reform's latest convert - Danny Kruger. Son of a rich South African property developer and Prue Leith, alumnus of Eton and Edinburgh and Oxford Universities, worked as a political adviser, including as David Cameron's speech writer. How does that make him "connected" to "ordinary" people?

Allira

growstuff

All words are made up.

Yes.

But the meaning is different, as I said.

Strangely, semitic referred to people who speak both Hebrew and Arabic.

Ah! But that's the interesting thing about linguistics. Anti-semitic is not the opposite of semitic.

Yes that's what my son told me about TR supported by Israel, my son is no fan of Israel and he often tells me TR is a grade A scumbag. I wouldn't argue with him about the latter.

Going back to "Islamophobia", taking the Islam out of the equation, the definition of phobia is an irrational fear. Is that fear irrational though? when there have been quite a few terrorist incidents throughout the west, including on our own soil, the fatalities have been numerous. When I was working in London and the IRA was a constant threat, I had a phobia about them. Phobias don't always equate to hatred it's more about fear and sometimes that isn't groundless. Articles such as the opening one never address that, they never look at the elephant/s in the room, of which there are several, they never question why such a phobia is only directed at one group and not others, for example is there a Hinduphobia? or as I mentioned up thread, conversely do not some from the more extreme members of Muslim communities have their very own phobias directed towards western communities.

Of course Muslims are not a homogeneous mass any more than the white population are. They, like all incomers, are represented in the highest, echelons of society, government, medicine, the law and have assimilated well into their host nation. Some are deeply religious, some wear that religion lightly, some will be atheists. We constantly hear, that the white working classes who turn up at demonstrations that have been in the news lately do so because they are uneducated and bigoted. Scratch below the surface and with most demographics, some sort of racism, bigotry will be going on. Is it wrong to question whether bigots and racists were exemplified by the working class, Pakistani community who labelled white working class girls as trash and up for it! so much so, their treatment of them wasn't abuse because somehow they were complicit? maybe another example of racism As mentioned up thread, would it be racist to refer to the wider community as Kaffirs in a derogatory fashion as some Muslim clerics have and to express the desire to dismantle our system of government, because it's inferior and set up their own. Maybe an example of complete lack of respect towards a host country that raises the hackles of TR and his ilk.

See all the stuff about Stephen Yaxley Lenin on the side of protecting women and girls? I will give it more credence when he stops surrounding himself, and attracting to his marches/riots when his followers are much, much, much less involved in domestic abuse.