Islamophobia

I agree with you fancythat👍🏻

May I disagree, agreeably?

Sure!

I dont agree with inflammatory stuff though.
And quite frankly, if the Observer and Telegraph[I dont read lots from many newspapers], are being inflammatory, then that is alarming.

Many people take their cues from the media. Whether they realise it or not.

May I disagree, agreeably? I think we should post the things we see in newspapers even if some will disagree with our comments or with what has been posted. I agree with what the Observer said about the march except for the last sentence. I'm very much against banning marches unless they are promoted by proscribed organisations. Hopefully many more people will now realise that although they joined the march for reasons completely different to those that were expoused by Tommy Robinson and his ilk, they are still, in effect, supporting him.

Not sure you are meaning me.
Not sure I have ever quoted from the Telegraph.

But yes, everyone should aim for peace.

fancythat

But that is not the point.

I would not dream of finding infammatory material somewhere in the universe and repeating it here.

If I did want to genuinely discuss some of the points, I would reword things.
A lot in this case.

I’ll remember that when we’re presented with long ‘inflammatory’ quotes from The Telegraph.

But that is not the point.

I would not dream of finding infammatory material somewhere in the universe and repeating it here.

If I did want to genuinely discuss some of the points, I would reword things.
A lot in this case.

fancythat

^We need to be calming the fires, not stoking them^

Totally agree.
The opening post is full of inflammatory remarks, and words.
Everyone can play their part in peace.

Perhaps you could address your comments to The Observer🙄

We need to be calming the fires, not stoking them

Totally agree.
The opening post is full of inflammatory remarks, and words.
Everyone can play their part in peace.

The Unite the Kingdom

It's really a bit of a misnomer, isn't it!

The OP was a leader article in one of the main Sunday Newspapers. This was widely disseminated, so it certainly is a suitable subject for discussion.

The Unit the Kingdom rally is echoing what is happening in the USA. The white supremicists are rapidly gaining a foothold, largely by the lack of opposition. We simply can’t allow that state of affairs to grow in the U.K.

Just coming to this thread I thought it was about Islamaphobia- now it has turned into a thread about racism.

The Islamic community has had to do a lot of hard work to demonstate they are are not all Jihadists, would be terrorists or religious fanatics.

Most Muslims are just wanting to get on with their lives, raise their families and contribute to the economic and social well-being of the communities and indeed the countries they live in. If they wish to practise their faith poenly whilst doing so then they should be free to do so whilst observing the rule of law like anyone else.

Not all asylum seekers are Muslim, so at the very least (scraping the barrel) it has taken some pressure off the 'illegal immigrants' and changed the narrative a little.

I find this post both inflammatory and unneccesary.

We need to be calming the fires, not stoking them.

Mt61

From what I could see there was plenty of black & brown faces in that march.
Haven’t we have to put up with those Palestinians marches- from the ‘river to sea’ to me, says ‘flatten Israel’.
They have been able to fly their flags since that 7th September horrific, atrocity.

October 🙄

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I don’t think anyone is obsessed with racism, is a weird word to use really, but some are concerned about it, others fear it because they suffer the sharp end of racism regularly.
I must admit that there seems to be far more obsessing about small boats.

Well that's great to hear Teazel2, unfortunately some people are making great political capital in stirring it up for everyone.

I dont care two hoots what other posters say when responding to my posts, not about racism!

I wasnt actually intending to be rude, just concerned that racism seems to be such an obsession for some, not something .I really think about much. I take people as fellow,human beings regardless of the colour of their skin.

teazel for someone who doesn’t give two hoots about racism, weird that you waste your time reading the thread😄😄😄.

Being rude cuts no ice with me I am afraid, the more anyone behaves like that on threads the less I respect their arguments.

growstuff

Babs03

“It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.”

Rather nasty dig there Teazel2. Whitewavemark isn’t obsessional and I wouldn’t say that anyone who becomes singularly absorbed by the evils in society and how to combat them has mental health problems. I heartily wish there were more like this in our society today rather than those seeking to spread hatred and division.

It was more than a nasty dig - it was blatant gaslighting.

Can you explain exactly how it is blatant gaslighting? I would be worried for the mental health of anyone so obsessed with racism. Its not something that ever crosses my mind until .I come on here.

I dont give two hoots what you or anyone else thinks about my posts btw.

Need to add in advance:

a keen interest in multiculturalism, an in depth discussion of what it aspects of prejudice means in practice:

Whether a remark that you or I or Ms/Mr Bloggs is racist:

is quite "mentally normal" for an intelligent politically aware person whatever the POV.

trump,tates.kirk robinson
all the same

growstuff

Teazel2

Babs03

@Teazel2

“Trying to find racism seems to occupy 99% of your thoughts!”

Which is absolutely splendid. Fighting racism which is a highly pernicious and damaging evil in our society is admirable, no?
Tbh most threads that I see are about the small boats crisis with some suggesting the RNLI stand by whilst people - some of them children - drown. This is the first I have seen about Islamophobia.

It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.

Worrying to whom? This looks like a classic attempt at gaslighting by you, which really is a mental health issue.

Can you describe in proper terms why you think it's a Mental Health Issue, Teazel?

I am trained in the field, so should be able to check out what you say.

Whitewavemark2

Hope this helps fancythat

The word Islam means ‘submission to the will of God’.

Islam is the second largest religion in the world with over 1 billion followers. The 2011 census recorded 2,706,066 Muslims in the UK, around 4.8% of the population.

Muslims believe that Islam was revealed over 1,400 years ago in Mecca, Arabia.
Followers of Islam are called Muslims.
Muslims believe that there is only One God.
The Arabic word for God is Allah.
According to Muslims, God sent a number of prophets to mankind to teach them how to live according to His law.
Jesus, Moses and Abraham are respected as prophets of God.
They believe that the final Prophet was Muhammad.
Muslims believe that Islam has always existed, but for practical purposes, date their religion from the time of the migration of Muhammad.
Muslims base their laws on their holy book the Qur'an, and the Sunnah.
Muslims believe the Sunnah is the practical example of Prophet Muhammad and that there are five basic Pillars of Islam.
These pillars are the declaration of faith, praying five times a day, giving money to charity, fasting and a pilgrimage to Mecca (at least once).

Thank you for writing that.

But I certainly do not believe about the first 7 lines.
And have no intention of going into all that here.
Thanks anyway.

growstuff

fancythat What are you on about? People who follow Islam are Muslims, just as people who follow Christianity are Christians. People who don't follow Islam or Christianity aren't Muslims or Christians.

You said on another thread about a week ago, that your son in law is a muslim but not a practising one.

Hope this helps fancythat

The word Islam means ‘submission to the will of God’.

Islam is the second largest religion in the world with over 1 billion followers. The 2011 census recorded 2,706,066 Muslims in the UK, around 4.8% of the population.

Muslims believe that Islam was revealed over 1,400 years ago in Mecca, Arabia.
Followers of Islam are called Muslims.
Muslims believe that there is only One God.
The Arabic word for God is Allah.
According to Muslims, God sent a number of prophets to mankind to teach them how to live according to His law.
Jesus, Moses and Abraham are respected as prophets of God.
They believe that the final Prophet was Muhammad.
Muslims believe that Islam has always existed, but for practical purposes, date their religion from the time of the migration of Muhammad.
Muslims base their laws on their holy book the Qur'an, and the Sunnah.
Muslims believe the Sunnah is the practical example of Prophet Muhammad and that there are five basic Pillars of Islam.
These pillars are the declaration of faith, praying five times a day, giving money to charity, fasting and a pilgrimage to Mecca (at least once).

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Actually, not all followers of Islam are muslims either.

Yes, they are.