Islamophobia

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

From a Labour peer:

www.politicshome.com/news/article/blue-labour-founder-urges-keir-starmer-drop-islamophobia-law

That link suggests the word actually means hate against muslim people.

Which is a different thing to fearing the religion.

“It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.”

Rather nasty dig there Teazel2. Whitewavemark isn’t obsessional and I wouldn’t say that anyone who becomes singularly absorbed by the evils in society and how to combat them has mental health problems. I heartily wish there were more like this in our society today rather than those seeking to spread hatred and division.

fancythat

That link suggests the word actually means hate against muslim people.

Which is a different thing to fearing the religion.

It does include hating Muslim people. Anybody who denies that is squirming out of confirming that hatred of Muslim people exists. Wasting time on semantics deflects from reality.

Babs03

“It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.”

Rather nasty dig there Teazel2. Whitewavemark isn’t obsessional and I wouldn’t say that anyone who becomes singularly absorbed by the evils in society and how to combat them has mental health problems. I heartily wish there were more like this in our society today rather than those seeking to spread hatred and division.

It was more than a nasty dig - it was blatant gaslighting.

fancythat

^That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.^

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

fancythat

^That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.^

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

Are you denying discrimination against and hateful attitudes towards Muslims?

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

But I thought you said, on another thread probably, that not all muslims practice Islam?

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

Are you denying discrimination against and hateful attitudes towards Muslims?

No

growstuff

fancythat

That link suggests the word actually means hate against muslim people.

Which is a different thing to fearing the religion.

It does include hating Muslim people. Anybody who denies that is squirming out of confirming that hatred of Muslim people exists. Wasting time on semantics deflects from reality.

It does include hating Muslim people.

I will need to read the link better to see if that is indeed what the link says.

But as I said upthread, the hatred of muslims and the hatred of Islam are two entirely different things.

How about you and I discussing this more on the thread I started?

I am aware that this thread was started by Ww2.

Is gaslighting also a form of bullying?

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Actually, not all followers of Islam are muslims either.

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Actually, not all followers of Islam are muslims either.

fancythat

So if a follower of Islam is not Muslim what are they?

Yes. Learning every day.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Actually, not all followers of Islam are muslims either.

fancythat

So if a follower of Islam is not Muslim what are they?

Anything and any one can follow Islam.

fancythat What are you on about? People who follow Islam are Muslims, just as people who follow Christianity are Christians. People who don't follow Islam or Christianity aren't Muslims or Christians.

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

That's why irrational fear of Islam has its own word.

So you say, it is a fear of the religion. And not Muslims?

fwiw, I did start another thread.

I am pretty sure just about everyone has different meanings to the words Islamophobia and racist.
Both words mean different things to different people.

No, I didn't say that at all. Followers of Islam are Muslims, so it's the same thing.

Actually, not all followers of Islam are muslims either.

Yes, they are.

Hope this helps fancythat

The word Islam means ‘submission to the will of God’.

Islam is the second largest religion in the world with over 1 billion followers. The 2011 census recorded 2,706,066 Muslims in the UK, around 4.8% of the population.

Muslims believe that Islam was revealed over 1,400 years ago in Mecca, Arabia.
Followers of Islam are called Muslims.
Muslims believe that there is only One God.
The Arabic word for God is Allah.
According to Muslims, God sent a number of prophets to mankind to teach them how to live according to His law.
Jesus, Moses and Abraham are respected as prophets of God.
They believe that the final Prophet was Muhammad.
Muslims believe that Islam has always existed, but for practical purposes, date their religion from the time of the migration of Muhammad.
Muslims base their laws on their holy book the Qur'an, and the Sunnah.
Muslims believe the Sunnah is the practical example of Prophet Muhammad and that there are five basic Pillars of Islam.
These pillars are the declaration of faith, praying five times a day, giving money to charity, fasting and a pilgrimage to Mecca (at least once).

growstuff

fancythat What are you on about? People who follow Islam are Muslims, just as people who follow Christianity are Christians. People who don't follow Islam or Christianity aren't Muslims or Christians.

You said on another thread about a week ago, that your son in law is a muslim but not a practising one.

Whitewavemark2

Hope this helps fancythat

The word Islam means ‘submission to the will of God’.

Islam is the second largest religion in the world with over 1 billion followers. The 2011 census recorded 2,706,066 Muslims in the UK, around 4.8% of the population.

Muslims believe that Islam was revealed over 1,400 years ago in Mecca, Arabia.
Followers of Islam are called Muslims.
Muslims believe that there is only One God.
The Arabic word for God is Allah.
According to Muslims, God sent a number of prophets to mankind to teach them how to live according to His law.
Jesus, Moses and Abraham are respected as prophets of God.
They believe that the final Prophet was Muhammad.
Muslims believe that Islam has always existed, but for practical purposes, date their religion from the time of the migration of Muhammad.
Muslims base their laws on their holy book the Qur'an, and the Sunnah.
Muslims believe the Sunnah is the practical example of Prophet Muhammad and that there are five basic Pillars of Islam.
These pillars are the declaration of faith, praying five times a day, giving money to charity, fasting and a pilgrimage to Mecca (at least once).

Thank you for writing that.

But I certainly do not believe about the first 7 lines.
And have no intention of going into all that here.
Thanks anyway.

growstuff

Teazel2

Babs03

@Teazel2

“Trying to find racism seems to occupy 99% of your thoughts!”

Which is absolutely splendid. Fighting racism which is a highly pernicious and damaging evil in our society is admirable, no?
Tbh most threads that I see are about the small boats crisis with some suggesting the RNLI stand by whilst people - some of them children - drown. This is the first I have seen about Islamophobia.

It is not splendid when it becomes obsessional, its becomes a mental health issue and is worrying.

Worrying to whom? This looks like a classic attempt at gaslighting by you, which really is a mental health issue.

Can you describe in proper terms why you think it's a Mental Health Issue, Teazel?

I am trained in the field, so should be able to check out what you say.

trump,tates.kirk robinson
all the same

Need to add in advance:

a keen interest in multiculturalism, an in depth discussion of what it aspects of prejudice means in practice:

Whether a remark that you or I or Ms/Mr Bloggs is racist:

is quite "mentally normal" for an intelligent politically aware person whatever the POV.