Is the country ready for a Farage government?

Vice versa I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I sometimes wonder if those who label reform voters in this way are secret agents who actually want a reform government, it is so counter productive.

Farage has only 8 seats if you count Danny Kruger.

Unless I have missed some news, Reform has only five seats:

Farage, Anderson, Kruger, Pochin and Tice.

members.parliament.uk/members/commons?partyid=1036

It seems the people on gransnet are very much in the minority according to the polls. You really can’t label all these hundreds and hundreds of people - it would be better to look at what is there in power now and work out the reasons for this swathe of people deserting them.

Didn't reform want everyone to have private health insurance? Or have I got that wrong?

Galaxy

I sometimes wonder if those who label reform voters in this way are secret agents who actually want a reform government, it is so counter productive.

Not this one, I can assure you. I despise Reform and everything they stand for.

Reform would be an utter disaster in government. Their simplistic policies wouldn't work. Government is a complex matter which both major parties understand even if they make mistakes, Too many people think government is dead easy: it isn't. It's a long, hard slog and people need to recognise that.

Noooooo!!! absolutely not.

mumofmadboys

Didn't reform want everyone to have private health insurance? Or have I got that wrong?

Reform’s election “contract” (now retracted as unworkable) included:

A three year tax break for all frontline NHS staff.

Tax Relief of 20% on all Private Healthcare and Insurance to (allegedly) take pressure off the NHS - basically a queue-jumpers charter. Most doctors divide their time between NHS and private practice. Incentivise private care, the NHS lists gets longer.

Same as this. Patients to receive a voucher for private treatment if they can’t see a GP within 3 days. For a consultant it would be 3 weeks. For an operation, 9 weeks.

Reform estimated it’s pledges on the NHS would cost £17 billion a year.

It is easy to tell some people what they want to hear, I could get a megaphone now and do it, but once in government the wheels will rapidly come off the bus.

Which is EXACTLY what has happened to Labour.

eazybee

^It is easy to tell some people what they want to hear, I could get a megaphone now and do it, but once in government the wheels will rapidly come off the bus.^

Which is EXACTLY what has happened to Labour.

Why do people want to go through the same process with Reform?

PaynesGrey

mumofmadboys

Didn't reform want everyone to have private health insurance? Or have I got that wrong?

Reform’s election “contract” (now retracted as unworkable) included:

A three year tax break for all frontline NHS staff.

Tax Relief of 20% on all Private Healthcare and Insurance to (allegedly) take pressure off the NHS - basically a queue-jumpers charter. Most doctors divide their time between NHS and private practice. Incentivise private care, the NHS lists gets longer.

Same as this. Patients to receive a voucher for private treatment if they can’t see a GP within 3 days. For a consultant it would be 3 weeks. For an operation, 9 weeks.

Reform estimated it’s pledges on the NHS would cost £17 billion a year.

Hmm ... so presumably doctors would switch to providing private healthcare, so the queues get ever longer. Nobody except critical emergencies would be seen within those timescales.

Meanwhile, did anybody work out how much it would cost to administer these vouchers?

What a load of **!!

nanna8

It seems the people on gransnet are very much in the minority according to the polls. You really can’t label all these hundreds and hundreds of people - it would be better to look at what is there in power now and work out the reasons for this swathe of people deserting them.

That's exactly what Labour is doing, if you read their latest announcements.

Farage is "all mouth and trousers" as my mum would have said. No substance to him at all.

You can see that, I can see that , so why is he so popular in certain areas ?AGAA4

westendgirl

You can see that, I can see that , so why is he so popular in certain areas ?AGAA4

If you look at where the Reform support has come from, the biggest losers have been the Conservatives. A few years ago, these were the same people who voted for Boris Johnson, so maybe it's easy to understand why Farage is popular.

I think PaynesGrey made a good point on another thread, which really got me thinking. Does Farage really want to be Prime Minister, having based his whole career on shitting into the circle from the outside? He isn’t a team player, and he isn’t a sticker. I think the question to be asked is whether without Farage, Reform would succeed?

Everyone in politics wants to be PM once they think they’ve a chance at it.

The more i think about it though, the more I think that won’t be the case for him. When you have spent your whole career as an agitator, the toughness and mundanity of being PM must be unappealing - all PMs ultimately fail.

I am not sure Johnson wanted to be PM, he thought being PM was his destiny that is slightly different.

Before the General Election, it seemed that most Gransnetters supported the Labour party. Are you all honestly content with the way things are going? I can only suppose that most of you are living in a care home and have no idea of life on the streets of modern Britain.

mum2three

Before the General Election, it seemed that most Gransnetters supported the Labour party. Are you all honestly content with the way things are going? I can only suppose that most of you are living in a care home and have no idea of life on the streets of modern Britain.

I think you've accused us all of living in a care home and having no idea before. Presumably, it was intended as an insult and trying to imply we're all living in lalaland.

Galaxy

I am not sure Johnson wanted to be PM, he thought being PM was his destiny that is slightly different.

Agreed, but Farage and Johnson are very different people, aren’t they. I read that Johnson had/has a Churchill obsession, and saw being PM as his route to achieve equal status. Farage isn’t a conviction politician.

A small rant, but when someone is knighted he doesn't go from being plain "John Smith" to "Sir Smith" but to "Sir John Smith", or just "Sir John", or even "Smith".

The PM is not "Sir Starmer". He is "Sir Keir Starmer", or "Sir Keir" or even "Starmer".

The media need to stop giving them airtime... especially the BBC.

They have always loved Fragage and I've never been able to understand why...

other political parties are available...