Is the country ready for a Farage government?

“At times, people who are not in support of Reform will post to say so, and their posts are subjected to having one word singled out, or a turn of phrase ‘misunderstood’ and are asked to explain themselves over and over instead of a discussion of the topic in hand.”

Is called smoke and mirrors, deflecting attention away from the fact that they don’t have a valid or intelligent argument.

Elegran

And like children, they expect the grownups to fix everything with their grownup magic wand. If it takes longer than immediately they drum their little heels on the floor in a strop and scream "I hate you! Go away!"

"I hate you! Go away!" and "How dare you tell me I'm being childish!"

“Small boat crossings of the English Channel as a significant issue began in late 2018, following the end of the EU's returns system, which made returning migrants more difficult. While there were some early reports in the 2010s and before, the number of people attempting the crossing and the subsequent political focus increased substantially from that point onwards.”

So, Brexit caused the small boats problem inasmuch because before this the UK could return asylum seekers to the EU country they came from. Apparently the Tories only realised this after leaving the EU.
And now Farage - the mastermind of Brexit - is saying he can sort this out.
You really couldn’t write it.
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Here is an article that describes the whole debacle.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-brexit-small-boats-asylum-philp-b2751177.html

Doodledog, it was just that I felt that summed the behavior up: that it does keep happening. Nothing more.

DaisyAnneReturns

Doodledog, it was just that I felt that summed the behavior up: that it does keep happening. Nothing more.

Thanks for clarifying. So much can get lost in translation on here, so if I have misinterpreted some of your posts I apologise.

Doodledog

DaisyAnneReturns

At times, people who are not in support of Reform will post to say so, and their posts are subjected to having one word singled out, or a turn of phrase ‘misunderstood’ and are asked to explain themselves over and over instead of a discussion of the topic in hand.

Exactly that on another thread. Rather like dealing with small children but such a waste of time. Perhaps we/I should remind ourselves/myself that talking to childish bullies is a waste of time. But I do keep wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt!

Possibly 😀

Without reference to the other thread about bullies, it’s difficult to tell though. I’m not deliberately misunderstanding, just a bit bewildered.

I sense a subtext being hinted at, but have no way of joining the dots, I’m afraid.

I agree about you keeping on posting Doodledog as you have a right to your opinion just as we all have.
I don’t understand the reference to bullies either, childish or otherwise and definitely haven’t seen anything like that.
I simply think that belittling and insulting anyone who’s thinking about voting for Reform at the next election is counterproductive (think Brexit) and the better way is to allow all their opinions, which may well change as time goes on anyway, there’s nearly four years still to go.

Are we prepared for a Fuhrer Farage government? That's a bit like asking "are women ready for a rapid regression to old-fashioned sexism or old-fashioned mysoginy".

I can imagine Farage and Co bringing in legislation to make us all become Trad Wives, as much favoured by the American Far Right........

Instead of seeing Labour trying to placate Reform through policy, the best thing to do would be to get rid of FPTP and introduce PR using the Alternate Vote. Time for another referendum?

I have said before that Reform would do badly under AV as they are very few voters' second, third or even fourth choice.

The More in Common data shows that under AV, Reform would only win outright in four seats and by the slimmest of margins. Even in Ashfield (Anderson), Clacton (Farage), Boston and Skegness (Tice) they are they are only just over the winning line. Pochin is only polling 38%. Things are fairly even across the parties in Kruger’s East Wiltshire seat 26% Tory, 31% Reform. It remains to be seen how conservative Conservatives view his defection.

Far more people don’t want Reform in power than do.

PaynesGrey

Instead of seeing Labour trying to placate Reform through policy, the best thing to do would be to get rid of FPTP and introduce PR using the Alternate Vote. Time for another referendum?

I have said before that Reform would do badly under AV as they are very few voters' second, third or even fourth choice.

The More in Common data shows that under AV, Reform would only win outright in four seats and by the slimmest of margins. Even in Ashfield (Anderson), Clacton (Farage), Boston and Skegness (Tice) they are they are only just over the winning line. Pochin is only polling 38%. Things are fairly even across the parties in Kruger’s East Wiltshire seat 26% Tory, 31% Reform. It remains to be seen how conservative Conservatives view his defection.

Far more people don’t want Reform in power than do.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the Conservatives were to get their act together and find themselves a credible leader rather than the one they've got. At the moment they're heading towards annihilation as a political party. There are a number of alternative scenarios.

I don't know anything about the local Clacton Conservative Party, but if they can find themselves a solid, sane candidate for the next election (and they have time), it shouldn't be too difficult to to win the seat back from Farage. There must be somebody on the local council with a respected track record of doing things for Clacton - Farage has done nothing.

windmill1

Are we prepared for a Fuhrer Farage government? That's a bit like asking "are women ready for a rapid regression to old-fashioned sexism or old-fashioned mysoginy".

I can imagine Farage and Co bringing in legislation to make us all become Trad Wives, as much favoured by the American Far Right........

What a load of nonsense

Maybe Giles Watling would stand again.

Couldn't agree more. You only haven't look at Trump's government to see the future of the UK if Farage is elected. A lot can change till the next General 3lection.

Only have to look

MollyNew

A Reform UK government would be a complete disaster, they have no policies, just soundbites. Richard Tice was terrible on Question Time, he just interrupted anyone else who was speaking.

But put him in a debate with Ed Miliband and he'd wipe the floor with him. Tice eloquently says "Climate change is here so it's better to adapt to it rather than trying to control or reverse it". Here in the north-west the council is investing in reinforcing coastal sea defences and it's a much better use of taxpayers money than building two minuscule plants to suck carbon out of the atmosphere

Yes unless there's others can get their act together. Pretty sure we're the only place in the world you can live and claim benefits without being a full citizen it's beyond comprehension.

This is my first time responding, but I am an American grandmother who wakes up in fear in a daily basis. What dangerous thing will Trump do today? Which political opponent will he charge with an erroneous crime? Will my friends who are black or brown be arrested by masked, armed men in an unarmed black van, never to be seen again. If you have any steps you can take to avoid a similar autocratic government, do it now before it takes over and you no longer recognize your country.

Moii

Yes unless there's others can get their act together. Pretty sure we're the only place in the world you can live and claim benefits without being a full citizen it's beyond comprehension.

How does that work? Please could you explain for the unenlightened.

orly

MollyNew

A Reform UK government would be a complete disaster, they have no policies, just soundbites. Richard Tice was terrible on Question Time, he just interrupted anyone else who was speaking.

But put him in a debate with Ed Miliband and he'd wipe the floor with him. Tice eloquently says "Climate change is here so it's better to adapt to it rather than trying to control or reverse it". Here in the north-west the council is investing in reinforcing coastal sea defences and it's a much better use of taxpayers money than building two minuscule plants to suck carbon out of the atmosphere

How do the costs compare for the outcome?

Babs03

There are no policies and even if there were there will be no costings.
Is easy to tell some people what they want to hear, I could get a megaphone now and do it, but once in government the wheels will rapidly come off the bus.

No policies? I see you’re not a member as I have a full mandate from them.

Amen to that.

sundowngirl

windmill1

Are we prepared for a Fuhrer Farage government? That's a bit like asking "are women ready for a rapid regression to old-fashioned sexism or old-fashioned mysoginy".

I can imagine Farage and Co bringing in legislation to make us all become Trad Wives, as much favoured by the American Far Right........

What a load of nonsense

Really? Have you had a look at what's happening across the Atlantic? I wouldn't be so complacent, if I were you.

Mumsnet is very far left isn’t it.

Menopauselbitch

Babs03

There are no policies and even if there were there will be no costings.
Is easy to tell some people what they want to hear, I could get a megaphone now and do it, but once in government the wheels will rapidly come off the bus.

No policies? I see you’re not a member as I have a full mandate from them.

Why is Reform only letting its members know what it intends to do? I would have thought it would want to encourage others to join, if the plans were so wonderful.