Manchester Synagogue Attack

Wyllow3

paddyann54

There are good and bad in every community .Being Jewish doesnt confer sainthood at birth .
That was said to me at a march long before last Octobers horrors.By a fellow marcher from Glasgow who is Jewish
Oreo there have been Jewish members of Scottish Support for Palestines since and maybe before I joined in the mid 1980s.
Are you really saying THEY are antisemitic ?Or just humans like the rest of us who abhor Israeli governments vile treatment of Palestinians for decades .
Open your eyes or at least learn about the huge number of Palestinians who have been held without trial..some children who have been held for 20 years .The government of Israel ….not just Netanyahu,s government have been committing war crimes for most of my life !

Thank you, Paddyann, some sensible points against the hate mongers who would divide not try not bring together. The Jewish member of my Quaker MfW group would abhor much of what is being said.
there's good and bad in every group.

How can we lose sight of this? Sainthood is not conferred on whole groups of different jewish Groups as a whole,

Because of a truly horrible attack against some of their number. Tomorrow in our MfW we shall undoubtedly be holding all those who suffer in this terrible, divisive conflict.

I would like some clarification here Wyllow3 from your post.
I have no idea why paddyann singles me out for her attention unless it’s simply that I’m Jewish? Maybe she will come back to say.I haven’t said a word about anything in Scotland for a start.
But it’s your post that concerns me as you appear to be saying that I’m a ‘hate monger’.
And why would both you and paddyann talk scornfully about Jews not having Sainthood conferred on them.
This thread is a real eye opener, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by it.

Whether you support Netanyahu or not, no excuse for disgusting murder of Jews. I'm horrified!!!

Oh my goodness, as easy as that. So, one portal open at a time.
Actually, there is another strange one on the Main Menu just now, but again, I will steer clear of it.

Her email won't be there for everyone, I don't think, but could be because Wyllow had her email open at the same time.
The same thing happened with me with a Facebook link on here a while ago, there was my FB page but I was assured it would only be visible to me, not to others.

I agree with you on not opening posts, Allira, and you saved me from opening some mental ones ages ago, that had come up on the main menu, so thanks again for that.
With regards to the one in question just now, Wyllow does give links, and so she was quite happy to try the disputed one. She found it to be strange. Something about her own email being on it, and so she thought to warn us Posters about it.
This warning appears to have been misconstrued, and caused an unpleasant comment to be made, which goes against the ethos of these threads.

Sueinkent

Wyllow3

Warning: dont open the web address above. It leads to a page with your email on, yes, for real. it also says it comes from Scotland and the writer uses to word "gotton" as in USA speak.

I'm reporting it now but its late at night as regards moderators.

No it doesn’t. Now why would you want to mislead people like that? Are you afraid of the truth? The writer is an ex pat Israeli living in Scotland.

Strange that Wyllow then gives a link in her post.

Best not to open links.

Best not to open any links unless you are absolutely sure of the source.

Why would you claim to believe that Wyllow is afraid of the truth? That's a very aggressive thing to say, on a thread that is intended to be about concern, after a serious attack on innocent people.
She expressed concern about a possible hack.
Good that it wasn't a hack, but it has happened on other threads.
I did not take her warning to be about the content of the information, but to be a technical warning.

Here is a report of another poll, into the opinions and attitudes of inhabitants of Israel into several issues. It is analysed by various aspects, including the political leanings of each person. The survey was conducted by the Viterbi Family Center for Public Opinion and Policy Research at the Israel Democracy Institute between August 24–28, 2025. It was based on a representative sample of the population in Israel aged 18 and above, comprising 600 Jewish interviewees and 150 Arab interviewees.

en.idi.org.il/articles/61601

I agree with you silverlining48 I would like more news especially as you say on the West Bank on the news feeds on I player.
I was really responding to those moaning about the BBC saying how biased they were etc etc when in fact they are careful to tread the middle ground. But their in depth verifying articles on Palestine/Gaza issues is pretty good I think.

But is publicly funded and they cannot say what Channel 4 does.

I get insider information from people active in Palestine Solidarity Campaigns which of course is available to all if they take the trouble.
palestinecampaign.org

Wyllow3

Warning: dont open the web address above. It leads to a page with your email on, yes, for real. it also says it comes from Scotland and the writer uses to word "gotton" as in USA speak.

I'm reporting it now but its late at night as regards moderators.

No it doesn’t. Now why would you want to mislead people like that? Are you afraid of the truth? The writer is an ex pat Israeli living in Scotland.

Yes, condemn the killer, and his family too, but only if that is proven to be relevant.
Yes Wyllow, our Parents did well, resisting and thwarting the Far Right's attempts to target our Jewish neighbours.

Wyllow just want to clarify any misunderstanding, I am a supporter of the bbc, and have r4on all day and often most of every night, ( insomnia) but when I listen to the news on radio or watch tv news there isn’t much reported on Gaza and even less on the West Bank. Certainly the masssive peaceful London march on 21 June which I attended didn’t get a mention on any of their news report, even in passing. At least it was briefly mentioned by itv and ch4.
I will have a look for the bbc newsfeed you attached.

barking up not breaking up.

yllow3 Sat 04-Oct-25 14:53:23
Anniebach
Quote Elegran Sat 04-Oct-25 14:41:04
Open your eyes too about the number of Jews IN ISRAEL who have condemned their Government's policy - which has the secular aim of expanding the land occupied by Jewish settlers to the detriment of the non-Jewish inhabitants, and has nothing to do with their shared faith with Jews living, working and worshipping in other countries

Please the number of Jews in Israel who have condemned their government policy, not the usual,”a large number of”
You want statistics?

Read this article dated today

70% of voters in Israel do not trust their current government.

www.timesofisrael.com/poll-70-of-israelis-dont-trust-government-including-almost-half-of-coalition-voters/

A newspaper !

You are braking up the wrong tree Allira

I fully acknowledge the distress felt by so many including myself.

I was brought up like I said by parents who had fought with Jewish people against Mosley and were part of the action taking in and sorting homes and support and other rights out for Jewish families fleeing after WW2 in Hull and full knowledge of the horrors of the Holocaust. Yes, they were friends.

That doesn't give any individual the right to mock WWM just because she says she is going to see Jewish friends, implying she's somehow false in doing this.

Allira

Nasty uncalled for post, Wyllow3, aimed at a poster who is distressed.

Shellmiss implied that Whitewave was lying about visiting her friend which I know for a fact is untrue.

I suppose a lot of this goes way back in History.

But I'll say no more.

All human life is of value.

Is it the same paddy ann who said Starmer could not be trusted as his wife was Jewish.
It may be that it was a different paddy ann.

Grantanow

A relevant article in the Jewish Chronicle not seen elsewhere about Jihad's father.

www.thejc.com/news/uk/father-of-manchester-shul-attacker-posted-gushing-praise-for-hamas-terrorists-on-october-7-vdsk1lq0

It’s in all the newspapers and all socials. Explains a lot.

Anniebach

Quote Elegran Sat 04-Oct-25 14:41:04
Open your eyes too about the number of Jews IN ISRAEL who have condemned their Government's policy - which has the secular aim of expanding the land occupied by Jewish settlers to the detriment of the non-Jewish inhabitants, and has nothing to do with their shared faith with Jews living, working and worshipping in other countries

Please the number of Jews in Israel who have condemned their government policy, not the usual,”a large number of”

You want statistics?

Read this article dated today

70% of voters in Israel do not trust their current government.

www.timesofisrael.com/poll-70-of-israelis-dont-trust-government-including-almost-half-of-coalition-voters/

Quote eazybee Sat 04-Oct-25 14:44:09
Yes Allira I agree with you ; I had no idea of the rampant anti-Jewish feeling throughout the UK. I have seen it represented on TV channels but usually at demonstrations in big overcrowded cities or following a murderous incident. There is little Jewish presence where I live, and I can only recall teaching children from two Jewish families in forty years of teaching, although I taught plenty of different ethnicities.
The fact that schools for Jewish children need to have a constant security guard present is shocking; also at the Synagogues. One in a nearby town has been targeted very recently.
The blatant insincerity of the protesters is equally shocking; apparently they are protesting today because they don't like the label 'terrorist' applied to their activities.
My feeling about protesters is that they are protesting because they love it; parading in front of the cameras makes them feel important, nothing more, nothing less.

But it is shameful.

I so agree,

Millions of pounds is already spent on trying to protect the Jewish community, there are so many scattered all over the country and there is no way they can be safe. I don’t know what the answer is. It is a very sad time for all of that faith now. There is only one God so why cant we just live in harmony,

paddyann54

There are good and bad in every community .Being Jewish doesnt confer sainthood at birth .
That was said to me at a march long before last Octobers horrors.By a fellow marcher from Glasgow who is Jewish
Oreo there have been Jewish members of Scottish Support for Palestines since and maybe before I joined in the mid 1980s.
Are you really saying THEY are antisemitic ?Or just humans like the rest of us who abhor Israeli governments vile treatment of Palestinians for decades .
Open your eyes or at least learn about the huge number of Palestinians who have been held without trial..some children who have been held for 20 years .The government of Israel ….not just Netanyahu,s government have been committing war crimes for most of my life !

Thank you, Paddyann, some sensible points against the hate mongers who would divide not try not bring together. The Jewish member of my Quaker MfW group would abhor much of what is being said.
there's good and bad in every group.

How can we lose sight of this? Sainthood is not conferred on whole groups of different jewish Groups as a whole,

Because of a truly horrible attack against some of their number. Tomorrow in our MfW we shall undoubtedly be holding all those who suffer in this terrible, divisive conflict.

Quote Elegran Sat 04-Oct-25 14:41:04
Open your eyes too about the number of Jews IN ISRAEL who have condemned their Government's policy - which has the secular aim of expanding the land occupied by Jewish settlers to the detriment of the non-Jewish inhabitants, and has nothing to do with their shared faith with Jews living, working and worshipping in other countries

Please the number of Jews in Israel who have condemned their government policy, not the usual,”a large number of”