Manchester Synagogue Attack

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Caleo

foxie48

I worry that we're all becoming so entrenched in our views we struggle to read, let alone consider, any POV that doesn't agree with what we think. Our minds are becoming closed and social media is partly responsible.

I agree that "entrenched in our views" is a Bad Thing.
I find social media a big help in digging me out of entrenched views.

What I do (if anyone is interested) if I read something on social media that grabs my attention I research the facticity of it and talk it over with others or with my research assistant. I find generally that debate on social media helps me to modify my ideas.

Your research assistant? You mean AI?

Does it make you feel good saying things like this I wonder?

Quote Anniebach Tue 07-Oct-25 12:28:36
Quote Anniebach Tue 07-Oct-25 11:22:23
‘Never Again’ isn’t just a phrase, it’s a solemn promise passed down through generations.

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Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Casdon Tue 07-Oct-25 12:00:23
You cannot in reality promise for future generations though Anniebach. Atrocities fade in the collective memory, and history has a habit of repeating itself, unfortunately. The world has never been at peace.

I respect the thoughts of Jews who choose to repeat this promise
Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Casdon Tue 07-Oct-25 12:34:13
I do too Anniebach. How much will it mean in 100 years or longer to those other than the Jews themselves, was the point I was making though. I hope I’m wrong.

Depends on, if it is truthfully taught as history or wiped out by Holocaust deniers

I do too Anniebach. How much will it mean in 100 years or longer to those other than the Jews themselves, was the point I was making though. I hope I’m wrong.

Quote Anniebach Tue 07-Oct-25 11:22:23
‘Never Again’ isn’t just a phrase, it’s a solemn promise passed down through generations.

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Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Casdon Tue 07-Oct-25 12:00:23
You cannot in reality promise for future generations though Anniebach. Atrocities fade in the collective memory, and history has a habit of repeating itself, unfortunately. The world has never been at peace.

I respect the thoughts of Jews who choose to repeat this promise

I research the facticity of it and talk it over with others or with my research assistant.
You have your own research assistant, Caleo 😲

foxie48

I worry that we're all becoming so entrenched in our views we struggle to read, let alone consider, any POV that doesn't agree with what we think. Our minds are becoming closed and social media is partly responsible.

I don’t think that anyone could disagree or have a different opinion about the subject of this thread.If they do then they’re antisemitic for sure.

Caleo

foxie48

I worry that we're all becoming so entrenched in our views we struggle to read, let alone consider, any POV that doesn't agree with what we think. Our minds are becoming closed and social media is partly responsible.

I agree that "entrenched in our views" is a Bad Thing.
I find social media a big help in digging me out of entrenched views.

What I do (if anyone is interested) if I read something on social media that grabs my attention I research the facticity of it and talk it over with others or with my research assistant. I find generally that debate on social media helps me to modify my ideas.

Your research assistant? You mean AI?

Maremia

I agree with that Lord Macdonald, if he is saying Police should focus on the ones chanting the hate message.

Yes . I believe hate speech is illegal not so?

foxie48

I worry that we're all becoming so entrenched in our views we struggle to read, let alone consider, any POV that doesn't agree with what we think. Our minds are becoming closed and social media is partly responsible.

I agree that "entrenched in our views" is a Bad Thing.
I find social media a big help in digging me out of entrenched views.

What I do (if anyone is interested) if I read something on social media that grabs my attention I research the facticity of it and talk it over with others or with my research assistant. I find generally that debate on social media helps me to modify my ideas.

You cannot in reality promise for future generations though Anniebach. Atrocities fade in the collective memory, and history has a habit of repeating itself, unfortunately. The world has never been at peace.

‘Never Again’ isn’t just a phrase, it’s a solemn promise passed down through generations.

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I think anyone practicing violence and known to do so regularly should be watched, whatever the context.

It most certainly does not just apply to the current situation. For example, we need to watch for violence - in actions and words - abuse against women and children - and the perpetrators, whatever the colour of their skin, held to account.

To me that as political if not more than some idiots on a demo thinking that their chosen way will work in our country" it wont.

The demonstrations I've been to in my life - on on various issues - going back to anti apartheid demonstrations onwards- have always been marked by frustration towards that small group who think they are furthering the cause with violence and intimidation: well, they are not.

Maremia

And as the march went ahead, then those calling out the hate chants should have been targeted.

The police won't intervene as those calling out hate chants are likely to fight back, resulting in a brawl, which means people will be injured.
The police and security services will be aware of those people and they will be watched.

I worry that we're all becoming so entrenched in our views we struggle to read, let alone consider, any POV that doesn't agree with what we think. Our minds are becoming closed and social media is partly responsible.

Yes.

Are people making assumptions, before properly reading some posts?

Rosie51

Do you think people should not be able to criticise the marches Wyllow3? Many people, not just on GN, thought it showed massive disrespect and total insensitivity to the Jewish community by going ahead with the marches at such a sad and frightening time.
Why on earth in the context of condemning an action would we mention other things that are acceptable or not even on our radar.

Of course we are all entitled to criticise the marches. I recall saying I was very unhappy indeed with aspects of the early marches.

My point was that not all the actions are marches now, there is a great deal locally and therefore I presume nationally of peaceful silent vigils, working away at interfaith relationships, including meals and celebrations of interfaith life: there are posters in windows, letters to MP's...and much much more.

If you look at my post on page 27 at just over 10am you will see the text of a speech at our local weekly silent vigil

The silence was broken in order to condemn the attacks and ask the people there to grieve along with others

Anyone who was involved or supported wouldn’t know shame

“should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.”

I think shame should be applies to quite a number of people.

I don't believe in banning as I have said, I think those who find it unspeakable that they marched just need to be more vocal. It is our responsibility.

And as the march went ahead, then those calling out the hate chants should have been targeted.

I had it explained to me, by an ACC who was involved in logistics, that police cannot just call off a march. There has to be evidence that there will be severe violence or damage. The trouble is he said, you just don't know what will happen before the event, so it very rarely happens that a march would get stopped. Apparently the protests in Rotherham caused so much mayhem to those living there, however, that the protests were stopped on the grounds of causing too much disruption in the lives of ordinary people in the community. I think that reason can be applied to ban marches if trouble is ongoing over a period of time.
But the police cannot just cancel a march without going through long winded procedures.

I do agree that to hold a march in the wake of the attack and deaths wasindecentand that anyone who took part “should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.”

I agree with that Lord Macdonald, if he is saying Police should focus on the ones chanting the hate message.

Was that one of the deletions?

Allira

Rosie51

Do you think people should not be able to criticise the marches Wyllow3? Many people, not just on GN, thought it showed massive disrespect and total insensitivity to the Jewish community by going ahead with the marches at such a sad and frightening time.
Why on earth in the context of condemning an action would we mention other things that are acceptable or not even on our radar.

There's a lot of deflection on this thread which is sad because it is detracting from the horror of what happened, the rise in anti-semitism in this country and the complete insensitivity of those who went out to protest with a proscribed group at such a time.

Deflection started pretty early on with a reference to security at Mosques.