Manchester Synagogue Attack

Lathyrus3

I caught a snippet of Radio 4 again in the car this lunchtime.

Lord somebody, who was utterly against banning the Palestine Action marches, but who said that to hold a march in the wake of the attack and deaths was indecent and that anyone who took part “should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.”

I agree with him.

Did anyone else catch it? Who was the speaker?

Lord Macdonald, He had a lot of interesting things to say. he said the Police have all sorts of powers to arrest people and ( paraphrasing) and that should be the focus. A small number of protestors who are engaged in hate crime.

Oh ok. I did only catch a snippet so I have misquoted him there on Palestine Action.

That explains why he said something along the lines of - It may not be illegal but it is indecent.

May I just correct a misconception that some seem to have, there are no marches organised by Palestine Action. It is a proscribed group and would not get permission from the police. The marches have been organised by perfectly legal groups that support Palestine, mainly the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign. I'm sure others could give more informed information but I think it's important to make the distinction.

I don't know who it was but I would broadly agree, I am opposed to banning any marches of any persuasion I think.

I caught a snippet of Radio 4 again in the car this lunchtime.

Lord somebody, who was utterly against banning the Palestine Action marches, but who said that to hold a march in the wake of the attack and deaths was indecent and that anyone who took part “should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.”

I agree with him.

Did anyone else catch it? Who was the speaker?

Long threads do tend to wander off in various directions but this can happen when most people have said their piece about the appalling tragedy and the rise in antisemitism.
Many of us have also felt that people shouldn't have attended the marches out of respect.
I'm not sure what else there is to say about this shocking attack apart from wishing for safety for all Jews in our country and elsewhere.

Rosie51

Do you think people should not be able to criticise the marches Wyllow3? Many people, not just on GN, thought it showed massive disrespect and total insensitivity to the Jewish community by going ahead with the marches at such a sad and frightening time.
Why on earth in the context of condemning an action would we mention other things that are acceptable or not even on our radar.

There's a lot of deflection on this thread which is sad because it is detracting from the horror of what happened, the rise in anti-semitism in this country and the complete insensitivity of those who went out to protest with a proscribed group at such a time.

Do you think people should not be able to criticise the marches Wyllow3? Many people, not just on GN, thought it showed massive disrespect and total insensitivity to the Jewish community by going ahead with the marches at such a sad and frightening time.
Why on earth in the context of condemning an action would we mention other things that are acceptable or not even on our radar.

Well yes it is possible to say those things are good ( if they are effective) and oppose the marches.

Galaxy

I think anger is useful if it is channelled correctly, I am furious that Jewish people have been murdered in this country. I would certainly use that anger in challenging anti semitism, not remaining silent about my views if the marches ( which I think many if us have done) and looking at the best way to direct my concern via the ballot box, etc,

There is so much going on beside the marches! Peaceful silent, protests, interfaith work, information airing networks between Jewish and other groups trying to work towards peace.

Why don't you mention these? Why make it the black and white oppositional narrative you just have?

Sorry numerous typos!

And strong anti-Muslim hate, which covers Tommy Robinson and his lot.

I have this abiding image during the Southport riots.

A man from a mosque about to be attacked comes out with a food for the rioters.

I think anger is useful if it is channelled correctly, I am furious that Jewish people have been murdered in this country. I would certainly use that anger in challenging anti semitism, not remaining silent about my views if the marches ( which I think many if us have done) and looking at the best way to direct my concern via the ballot box, etc,

Personal anger is inevitable, just as sadness or any other human emotion is.

Quote Caleo Mon 06-Oct-25 14:33:23
foxie48
Maremia you only have to look at the first pages to see how quickly the thread changed from one of respect and sympathy for everyone affected by the attack in Manchester. I tried to bring it back with my post " foxie48 Thu 02-Oct-25 18:10:45" all you need to do is read what followed to get an idea of how that went down with some posters. It's so very sad that we have become so divisive we can't even put our personal anger to one side in times of a National tragedy.

Personal anger is of no use to man or beast. What is of use is to examine the cause of a crime as calmly as may be.

Personal anger can be of use and is a deeply felt emotion

I found the news deeply distressing that Jewish people no longer feel safe in the UK. Our reputation for respect of other cultures and religions is rapidly being destroyed.

And then attempt to help the people who may be affected.

foxie48

Maremia you only have to look at the first pages to see how quickly the thread changed from one of respect and sympathy for everyone affected by the attack in Manchester. I tried to bring it back with my post " foxie48 Thu 02-Oct-25 18:10:45" all you need to do is read what followed to get an idea of how that went down with some posters. It's so very sad that we have become so divisive we can't even put our personal anger to one side in times of a National tragedy.

Personal anger is of no use to man or beast. What is of use is to examine the cause of a crime as calmly as may be.

Primrose53

Nasty.

Yes, it was a nasty rant. Glad you agree.

Meanwhile, this is a thread about the synagogue attack and the the two murders in Manchester.

Quite honestly, I don't know what else there is to say. It was horrendous (and every synonym) and the relatives should be allowed to grieve.

Nasty.

Hope you feel better after that little rant Freya.

Now I see the enlightened Muslim run council's are denigrating the people who want to fly our nations flag as yes "far right".

Where is this happening please? Being a flag shagger is far right.

We are constantly being told to keep the thread on the recent tragedy.

Caleo

Lathyrus3

I didn’t make the original comment about “ children if a lesser god” sunami and the poster who did said it had been deleted.

I was intrigued because I couldn’t see how it had any relevance to the thread in its original context.

Then people started talking about Tennyson and saying the concept originated with him so I just chipped in with where I think it came from,

I have no idea what the first post said and I don’t personally mean anything by it because I don’t accept the concept of gods of any kind ( except those that exist in the human mind and desire)

It was me Lathyrus whose post was deleted. Reading about the Manchester synagogue attack highlights the mindset behind it --- seeing some lives as worth less than others, what I think of as treating people like “children of a lesser god.” It’s not just extremists who fall into this thinking; it sneaks into everyday life whenever we see whole groups — Jews, Muslims, immigrants, the disabled — as other. That’s where hatred takes root, and until we challenge it, violence can grow.

Brilliant! That makes perfect sense!

Lathyrus Sorry that I misunderstood your post, but Caleo's explanation makes perfect sense.

The bigger picture here is that there is so much hatred and violence is growing.

Lathyrus3

Ah, thank you. Of course we can use phrases in many different contexts and over thousands of years their uses change,

Wonder why you were deleted?

I was just interested.🙂

My original post must have offended someone for some reason. There is no point in my speculating why.