Manchester Synagogue Attack

Have been out this evening, and will get a chance to read this in the morning, thanks.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-time-has-come-3/

I really don't need to be put in my place.

All human life is of value, it's overwhelmingly sad the whole situation.

StripeyGran

People seem to be getting offended all the time. I think it's an interesting idea. Trump perhaps likes to cast himself in the role of Rescuer.

I'm not personally offended, but I can tell when a post is offensive.
There is a difference.

Iam64

StripeyGran

Think about the Drama Triangle.

In what way ? I may be misunderstanding but I’ve worked with the drama triangle and if you’re suggesting the Jewish survivors and descendants of the holocaust are moving into perpetrator, I find that a simplistic and offensive analogy

What are the Jewish people who arrived in the UK and other countries as refugees and the descendants of Jewish refugees actually perpetrating please, StripeyGran?

You do realise that not all Palestinians are Hamas terrorists?
Likewise most Jewish people are not members of the Israeli Cabinet.

I agree, Iam64, an offensive and a simplistic analogy.

What a day to post that too. 😥

Oh I thought Iam64 had misinterpreted what you were saying, she obviously hadn't.

People seem to be getting offended all the time. I think it's an interesting idea. Trump perhaps likes to cast himself in the role of Rescuer.

StripeyGran

Think about the Drama Triangle.

In what way ? I may be misunderstanding but I’ve worked with the drama triangle and if you’re suggesting the Jewish survivors and descendants of the holocaust are moving into perpetrator, I find that a simplistic and offensive analogy

And in different circumstances the same person could present as all three, at different times.

So, with the correct input or motivation, people can change from one to the other.

It is a theory of how humans behave. Victim, persecutor, rescuer. One can become the other.

What is that?

Think about the Drama Triangle.

Correction The Wiki has listed The Holocaust under genocide from 1941 to 1945.

I am not too sure that The Wiki is accurate with its numbers. How would the millions of dead be counted I wonder all those centuries ago? The Wiki has also not entered the 6 million lost in The Holocaust. I wonder why?

I agree.

There are campaigns to deny it, Iam64 as well as ignorance about it now.

I’m sure we have similar views on this. I confess to being horrified though that the holocaust is still denied

I know Iam64, I’m in no way denying how horrific the treatment of the Jews was, and is. I’m just being realistic about the impact that will have into the long term future.

Yes Casdon but the holocaust carries such significance because of the organised, recorded, well planned attempt to wipeout the Jewish people.
I’m not dismissing or denying the other groups targeted but the Jews were a special case. Dehumanised, othered thousands of years of anti semitism, pogroms with Jewish people driven from their homes

Lest we forget

Peoples have been persecuted and killed in large numbers for their religion and being different for millennia Anniebach. I’m not going to argue about it, it’s factual, and largely forgotten by future generations whose people were not directly involved.

The Holocaust was not result of war

Sorry to pop in but the menu seems to be a bit 'mental' just now, and this is the first real thread. Without clicking on the strange posts, how do I report this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
For ronib.

Er … Casdon which atrocities approach 6 million dead in 6 years?

Anniebach

Quote Anniebach Tue 07-Oct-25 12:28:36
Quote Anniebach Tue 07-Oct-25 11:22:23
‘Never Again’ isn’t just a phrase, it’s a solemn promise passed down through generations.

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Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Casdon Tue 07-Oct-25 12:00:23
You cannot in reality promise for future generations though Anniebach. Atrocities fade in the collective memory, and history has a habit of repeating itself, unfortunately. The world has never been at peace.

I respect the thoughts of Jews who choose to repeat this promise
Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Casdon Tue 07-Oct-25 12:34:13
I do too Anniebach. How much will it mean in 100 years or longer to those other than the Jews themselves, was the point I was making though. I hope I’m wrong.

Depends on, if it is truthfully taught as history or wiped out by Holocaust deniers

I think you misunderstand what I mean. I don’t think it’s because people will deny the holocaust happened, I think it’s because the mists of time take away the horror felt in the immediate aftermath. There have been many horrendous events in history, with millions displaced, persecuted and killed, but they are now historical events, which don’t have the same impact.