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Do Reform UK supporters understand their Party's economic policies?

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DaisyAnneReturns Thu 02-Oct-25 16:04:50

Personal Tax Cuts (trickle down)
Cut "waste" (austerity)
Net cuts to spending (austerity)
Restore non-dom status (trickle down)
Abolish inheritance tax (trickle down)
Scrap workers rights (trickle down)
Cut training programmes (austerity)

All their policies can be linked to either trickle down economics or austerity.

Babs03 Thu 02-Oct-25 16:07:34

I think it is ‘trickle up’ economics. The trickle down model promises benefits for those at the bottom whereas the trickle up model only promises benefits for those at the top.

itsadogslife Thu 02-Oct-25 16:10:52

You've missed out privatise the NHS! No more free medical treatment for all. I'm amazed that so many people don't seem to mind about this. And I say this as one who has as little to do with the NHS as possible.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 02-Oct-25 18:26:01

Babs03

I think it is ‘trickle up’ economics. The trickle down model promises benefits for those at the bottom whereas the trickle up model only promises benefits for those at the top.

You made me smile Babs03. It certainly has been trickling up but "trickle down" was, I presume, more likely to win votes. But it patently didn't happen. It's been trickling up in a way that will eventually collapse the economy.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 02-Oct-25 18:27:16

itsadogslife

You've missed out privatise the NHS! No more free medical treatment for all. I'm amazed that so many people don't seem to mind about this. And I say this as one who has as little to do with the NHS as possible.

That's more austerity itsadogslife!

MaizieD Fri 03-Oct-25 09:28:47

Calling the flow of money upwards to the wealthy 'trickle up' is a serious mistake. It makes it sound innocently insignificant. It isn't a 'trickle', it's a flood grin

While talking about Reform's economic policies it is worth noting that the Argentinian economy is floundering, badly, very badly . Farage had nothing but praise for Milei and his plans for the economy when he was first elected. Those plans being slashing state expenditure. Book 'balancing' and cutting spending is a disaster.

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This is what happens when people persist in believing that a nation's budget is the same as a household budget...

PaynesGrey Fri 03-Oct-25 09:57:09

Reform withdrew its election contract a few weeks after the 2024 election describing it an unworkable and more of a philosophy that policy . It removed the contract from its website but it has now reappeared under the heading of Policy Documents with no rider that it was ever withdrawn.

However on 5 September 2025, BBC reported:

Reform UK may need to rethink its pledge to deliver £90bn of tax cuts, the party's deputy leader Richard Tice has suggested.

The Reform UK manifesto published ahead of last year's general election made commitments to slash income tax in particular, as well as large spending pledges on defence. However, Tice told the BBC: "A manifesto in July 2024 is not appropriate for a manifesto or contract whenever the next general election is.”

One of their main policy promises, and the one I hear given most often as the second reason people support Reform, is the one yo increase the tax personal allowance to £20,000.

The contract states:

Lift the income tax starting threshold to £20k to save the lowest paid £1,500 per year. This takes 7 million of the least well-off out of Income Tax to make work pay and get people off benefits.

This is misleading. While those who work full time (40 hours pw) on adult minimum wage, either £10 per hour for those age 18-20 or £12.21 for people age 21, would save around £1,500 a year in tax they would be still be entitled to benefits.

At the moment, someone earning £25,396 per year (min wage £12.21 x 40 hours x 52 weeks), paying 5% into a workplace pension scheme and paying £1,000 per month rent would (according to the turn2us calculator), be entitled to Universal Credit of £254 per month, a mix of the standard allowance and housing benefit. Giving them a tax cut would mean they would still be getting some UC.

Clearly, the issue here is the UK’s low wage economy, that people working full time are still in need of supplementary benefits.

An IPPR analysis of the proposed tax cuts show that they would make minimal difference to the pockets of the 20% of poorest households while benefiting the 20% richest households far more:

www.ippr.org/media-office/analysis-of-reforms-tax-plans

The contract also says Reform would, in the first 100 days of office, introduce an Employer Immigration Tax raising the NI rate to 20% for an employer who employed foreign nationals (excluding health and care staff).

Reform claim it would raise 20 billion to pay for apprenticeships for young Britons. They would not be able to do that without wider legislative change on how NIC is used.

NIC can only be used to fund the NHS (what Labour's £25 billion increase in employers NIC was earmarked for) and to pay for contributory benefits - 95% of which is the State Pension.

Legislative changes to what NIC can be used for would be potentially dangerous in the hands of a government seeking to reduce NHS funding and contributory benefits.

In addition, an Employer Immigration Tax would fall foul of the Equality Act 2010, if an employer was seen to be discriminating on the grounds of race which includes: colour, nationality, and ethnic or national origins.

An immigration tax would deter employers from engaging the best person for the job and therefore hamper performance and productivity.

Wouldn’t customers and service users want to know that a provider is employing the best people not simply those who are cheaper for the organisation to employ?

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 03-Oct-25 10:12:59

Your totally right Maizie, but sometimes things are so awful you have to joke don't you smile.

I'm suprised no Farage supporters have been on this thread to tell us what we have got wrong and explain why or, perhaps why they think this is okay and that we will all enjoy the poverty that these policies will bring.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 03-Oct-25 10:18:33

Sorry PaynesGrey I started my post, got distracted and then finished it, so missed yours. Am reading it now.

sassenach512 Fri 03-Oct-25 11:12:06

I'm wary of the fact that Forage cosied up to Trump not that long ago and his latching onto people's fears about illegal immigrants as a means of garnering votes. We just need to look at the mess in the US to see how well that's going