Breaking news, midnight - Peace in the Middle East?

I think Netanyahu is on a tightrope, if he goes against the agreement his days will be numbered because the full force of the peacekeepers will be against him. He appears to be deeply unpopular in Israel too, so surely his actions will be tempered, even if his rhetoric isn’t?

He won’t go against the agreement but think that hamas will try to.
Hopefully the gangsters and hamas will eliminate each other and clear the way for a peaceful governing body.

foxie48

I've just listened to the King of Jordon being interviewed. Worryingly he doesn't think the peace will hold, He wants peace but is unsure of the Israeli govt. I hope he's wrong.

Goes off to check on that point - but, from memory, I think Jordan might be part of Netanyahu's Greater Israel he wants. Greater Israel being quite a bit bigger than Palestine and Netanyahu wants some more of "other peoples countries" and not just Palestine.

One thing is sure, we will see. We can only hope for peace, and for compliance from all the parties involved. It’s not going to be straightforward, we are only at phase one.

Yep....just checked.

Jordan is part of what Netanyahu wants for Greater Israel.

It would comprise:
- Jordan, some parts of Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, most of Syria, a bit of Turkey and Western Iraq - as well as Jordan.

The logic behind it would be the same as is quoted for having most of Palestine .....

The beginning of a long road Casdon but at least it's begun.

Do you mean the West Bank?

That was for CariadAgain.

That’s a nonsense list CariadAgain

Netanyahu wants/the people before him have always wanted all of Palestine. Yep...the West Bank is part of Palestine. As is Gaza. As is all of what is being called Israel by him. All of that is Palestine.

But he also wants quite a bit more of other peoples countries too - ie the ones that he calls Greater Israel - as did his predecessors.

I understand the "bit by tiny bit by tiny bit" strategy - because that is what I've had on my present house from neighbours here. There are several of them and they have been working together - with "I'll try and nick this little bit....and you try and nick another little bit and I'll try to nick the biggest bit".

It's a form of "softly softly catchee monkey" to try and take someone else's land that you want for yourself. It is a tactic that gets used from the micro level (neighbours) to the macro level (a country or would-be country as in this case) - and there is always an excuse (which seems to be along the lines of "It's ours really" - even though it isn't).

Hence my sympathies with the Palestinians - besides my ex-military father telling me about what his stint in Palestine in the 1940's was like - and he was clearly mentally on their side.

I lost track of where I stashed the video that stated quite clearly what land he is after.

Try another one - to explain this "Greater Israel" concept of his and his predecessors.

Look on YouTube for the video entitled "Greater Israel Explained: The Israeli Plan to conquer the Arab World" - on the channel "BreakThrough News".

There's plenty of other videos making it clear just how much he's after....but that one will do for a start.

Sigh

Having witnessed an unfortunate neighbourhood dispute when we tried to fence a back garden with a surveyor confirming the boundary, I really don’t think that Israel Gaza West Bank is anywhere close to this type of situation.
I found a surveyor who was able to determine the fence line. If you are still in dispute, call in an expert- it’s worth it.
CariadAgain

I have just been reading about Greater Israel. If that is what Israel is aiming for by taking land from Jordan and others then there will never be peace in the middle east.

It may be a dream for Israel to be safe from hostile neighbours but there will never be any actual taking of land from the list mentioned.Israel will be happy not to be constantly attacked.

I’m stunned by Cariadagain comparing her neighbour dispute with Isreal-Palestine. It’s diminished my interest in the genuine debate here about the complexity around this early, tentative, potentially insecure peace process.

As I understand it, Egypt for example, has been significant in assisting the moves towards peace. The may not be entirely impressed by BiBi N but, they’re extremely wary of Hamas, the Islamic Brotherhood and other terrorists. The value their yiung democracy, want more of it, want tourists to feel safe and visit the wonder that is Egypt. Other countries in the M.E want peace a

ronib

Having witnessed an unfortunate neighbourhood dispute when we tried to fence a back garden with a surveyor confirming the boundary, I really don’t think that Israel Gaza West Bank is anywhere close to this type of situation.
I found a surveyor who was able to determine the fence line. If you are still in dispute, call in an expert- it’s worth it.
CariadAgain

The dispute with neighbour situation is as sorted as I can get it personally. I've firmly rebuffed two of the grabbers. Another one of the grabbers managed to legally steal a noticeable section of my garden. Can't really think why they bothered - except I strongly suspect they were hoping to steal an even bigger bit (that would have been of some use to them)....but for what they managed to grab I asked my solicitor whether to proceed at one point and she pointed out that their house is now lumbered with an expensive (5 figures) bill that was previously down to my house to pay whilst that bit of land was still legally mine. Now it's "In actual fact mine still obviously - but legally theirs" they have now acquired that bill off me and it will be theirs to pay LOL LOL LOL. I think everyone realises now why I refer to them as "Mr and Mrs Peabrain" (ie I had already realised neither of them were very bright.....). I'm quite happy to tell everyone it is still mine - but that grabber house does now have a very expensive bill to pay.

Iam64

I’m stunned by Cariadagain comparing her neighbour dispute with Isreal-Palestine. It’s diminished my interest in the genuine debate here about the complexity around this early, tentative, potentially insecure peace process.

As I understand it, Egypt for example, has been significant in assisting the moves towards peace. The may not be entirely impressed by BiBi N but, they’re extremely wary of Hamas, the Islamic Brotherhood and other terrorists. The value their yiung democracy, want more of it, want tourists to feel safe and visit the wonder that is Egypt. Other countries in the M.E want peace a

Micro level - macro level. It's to do with land theft at either level - and what my father told me about what happened in the 1940's.

The same way that someone who gets a particular illness is better placed to understand someone else who gets the same illness - as they have some concept of what is going on.

No CariadAgain - my family understands fence boundaries and that has nothing to do with the current situation in Israel. You have an understandable emotional response to bad neighbours and at one point, I found myself going on about Gaza too but it’s nowhere near the same level. Hopefully no neighbours were kidnapped or murdered?

Goodness ronib. I agree with your post, a first and we shiukd celebrate any outbreak of consensus

Carriadagain, I learned more about Cancer than I ever expected, or wanted to, when my lovely husband was diagnosed. One of the many learnings during his illness and death was, cancer is awful, every one has a different experience.

Thank you Iam64

Land is being taken from Palestinians in the West Bank. I wonder what if any provision for this is going to be included in the peace plan.

Smileless2012

Land is being taken from Palestinians in the West Bank. I wonder what if any provision for this is going to be included in the peace plan.

Abbas is participating in the conference in Egypt, so hopefully will have some input about the West Bank.