Starmer should go to the COP 30 meeting in Brazil!

Which other Leaders are going?

It would be symbolically important for the PM to attend but not for all the detailed sessions.

I 'spoke' to nanna8 on anther Thread, but she hasn't made it over here.

Maremia

I suppose the timing has to be right, or else everything would go up in flames.

It has to be carefully controlled. Our family's neighbours helped them, they are Traditional Australians.

I suppose the timing has to be right, or else everything would go up in flames.

Would be useful to hear from her.

Maremia

There is a similar problem in the States. Should they burn old growth or not?
Yes, they should try to listen to people who have lived in the place for eons.

Controlled burning of the dead brush also helps to prevent huge forest fires which can get out of control.
I've been in the vicinity of a forest fire; local farmers came out to burn and make fire breaks which stopped it spreading further.


Where's our Australian Gransnetter? Her family has had experience of forest fires too

There is a similar problem in the States. Should they burn old growth or not?
Yes, they should try to listen to people who have lived in the place for eons.

With fewer new trees, the report found that the trunks and branches of dead trees - known as woody biomass - became carbon emitters, rather than carbon absorbers, about 25 years ago.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd05mdz9pdo

Now, I find that interesting because i thought that Aboriginal peoples would have fired the brush from dead trees, which also helped new trees to generate.

The Greens in Parliament have stopped the burning of undergrowth.

Perhaps our elders know more than some give them credit for and that we should take the advice of traditional peoples on land management.

I remember reports years ago stating that Australia would be the first region to suffer from changes in climate. Certainly flooding has been particularly bad in the North in recent years.

You'd think so but apparently not!

I do know that some wind turbines, when they came to the end of their relatively short lifespan, were found dumped in the rainforest!

Were they giving off carbon, too? 😂

Surely the components of wind turbines must be recyclable?

And I was reading somewhere yesterday that in Australia the rain forest (yes, I was surprised that Australia had rain forest) is no longer acting as a carbon sink because climate change is causing the death of trees in the forest and as the trees die and decay they give off carbon. The forest is giving off more carbon than it captures.

I knew there are rainforests in Australia, both tropical and temperate (been to both, they are the oldest on Earth) but I didn't realise about the trees dying and giving off carbon.

I do know that some wind turbines, when they came to the end of their relatively short lifespan, were found dumped in the rainforest!

All of hose changes you describe came about through natural evolution. Our version of climate change is sadly that...our version.
Human activity is accelerating a natural process.

I wish I could believe thatfancythat but the evidence is too compelling now. The consequences of global warming is already being felt and will greatly contribute to mass migration over time. It's a really serious issue for everyone even those who feel they're in the " I'm alright, Jack" camp will eventually be affected.

Wyllow3

Sadly, it slipping down the agenda shocking - to me - when people think it's a good thing its dropping in priorities. ...

Our lovely, beautiful living and breathing world, and all the creatures on it, sliding into climate chaos

Surely no one can be happy with this?

The small response to this thread sadly seems to indicate this?

I have never bought into it.

Climate has always changed.
Always has. Always will.

To my mind, people can now be less frightened of it all[once media stops hyping it].
One less thing to be frightened about.
Though the media will move onto something else to frighten people with
to get it's headlines and clickbait.

There have always been colder periods. And perhaps to a lesser extent, hotter ones.

Oh Maizie - what I dreaded but hoped would not happen.
🥲

Oh, here is the IMO story. It was on the BBC site, too.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vnl0yxg53o

There was a time, you know, in the not very distant past, when Ministers were given considerably more autonomy and could act independently. The PM should not have to lead on every little detail. They are rarely polymaths and we shouldn't expect it of them.

I'm afraid I'm giving up hope on action on climate change.

In the Financial Times today a story about a meeting of the International Maritime Organisation which had agreed a framework for achieving net zero and at their meeting this week were about to legalise an agreement on a levy on carbon emissions. Trump scuppered it. Lots of countries with interests in oil and gas, previously more or less in agreement with it, were emboldened to go along with his vote against the levy...

And I was reading somewhere yesterday that in Australia the rain forest (yes, I was surprised that Australia had rain forest) is no longer acting as a carbon sink because climate change is causing the death of trees in the forest and as the trees die and decay they give off carbon. The forest is giving off more carbon than it captures.

I think Miliband is the person who should be there and that Starmer should back anything he proposes and study any report he makes very carefully.

No, I"m not OK with that tho I take your point re expertise. They both should be there.

It's a matter of the status and importance given to Climate Change.

Its been demoted

On other GN threads in the past I recall so many grans saying they fear for a world for their grandchildren if things continue as they are climate wise.

Listen and watch David Attenborough's loving and careful cataloguing of the world we live in and the consequences already to it and the lives of future generations.

Ed Miliband is attending, which is appropriate given his position
Quite.

'No point in having a dog and barking yourself' as the saying goes.
Appoint the best people for the job and trust them to do it.

Ed Miliband is attending, which is appropriate given his position. Starmer will be damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t, but if he went to every high profile event he would never be in the UK, people were even moaning when he attended the Gaza summit last week.

Sadly, it slipping down the agenda shocking - to me - when people think it's a good thing its dropping in priorities. ...

Our lovely, beautiful living and breathing world, and all the creatures on it, sliding into climate chaos

Surely no one can be happy with this?

The small response to this thread sadly seems to indicate this?

I am getting the impression, could be wrong, that anything green is slipping down many peoples' priority lists.
I think the tide has turned.

...if not Starmer, definitely the new Deputy Leader. (Announced 25th October)