Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

Iam64

Liloldlady

Now the troops are out of Gaza why not fly some over to keep the Israeli supporters under control!!

I’m catching up and only on page five. Apologies for commenting before RTT but - keep the Ireali supporters under control is so shocking
Maccabi Tel Aviv is a football team. Some of its supporters behave badly, like Millwall. They are not Israeli supporters, they’re football fans
Right, deep breath, back to reading

Not all football fans behave the way the Millwall fans do [my partner actually mentioned Millwall to me when we were discussing it earlier today]. But some teams do attract fans like that and Maccabi appear to be one that does. And, when that happens it also attracts people that are just looking to cause trouble so they can have a fight. Why some people are like that is beyond me but the sad things is that they are . And precautions have to be taken to prevent that trouble. It's awful when there is spontaneous fighting and damage to property for various reasons but this is a case where it is likely to happen and can be prevented.

Maremia

So, being banned for 'bad behaviour ' is not a new concept.

Do you know the details of Heysel? With 39 dead and more than 600 injured 'bad behaviour' is hardly an accurate description. 14 Liverpool fans were found guilty of manslaughter.

growstuff

Allira

Has anyone on here actually been to a football match at League level?

Yes.

Yes many
Also many premier league

I’m relieved the decision is being reviewed
I understand the con erns about the ability of the police to protect the public.
If we can’t police a football match without banning one side, our policing needs examining

I’m very concerned about the ProPalestine anti Isreali themes

It seems to me, that it is all part of a bigger problem.
And it isnt necessarily antisemitism. By some anyway.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c203z1d0yjwo

But it does give off a bad look.
So some sort of alteration to the fixture may be needed.

But why should Villa have to change its match location? The Home team is always considered to have a significant advantage over the visiting team.

Iam64

I’m relieved the decision is being reviewed
I understand the con erns about the ability of the police to protect the public.
If we can’t police a football match without banning one side, our policing needs examining

I’m very concerned about the ProPalestine anti Isreali themes

The biggest concern is the Maccabi fans, who have shown themselves to be racist and violent. They deliberately provoke the opponents. The residents of Birmingham, West Midlands Police and Aston Villa shouldn't have to put up that.

Maccabi fans have a track record of violence and damage to property in the neighbourhood.
As Aston villa ground is surrounded by houses I can understand why they don't want trouble to erupt there as it has in other countries where Maccabi fans have been.

I wish people would give a thought to the residents in that area and their and their children's right to safety.

This is just a football match after all and has provoked too much concern for some out of control fans over residents of that area

That is a good point NotSpaghetti and I agree.

Exactly Rosie. Not just 'vandalism'.
Really serious consequences. All must be considered.

History shows that football matches can go badly wrong. The Hillsborough disaster caused the death of 97 Liverpool fans through inadequate policing.
I think every precaution should be taken and if it means banning certain clubs so be it.

I agree it has the potential to be a risk to people and police officers.
Suggesting that’s all down to one set of fans in the current context seems wrong.

Iam64

I agree it has the potential to be a risk to people and police officers.
Suggesting that’s all down to one set of fans in the current context seems wrong.

But those fans can be a catalyst can’t they. Imo people’s safety should come first.

Yes safety is key
It’s managed well at many matches. This one needs fans kept separate. It happens at some, fans kept together and bussed to the stadium, bussed back end of match

These are the hooligans that many want to let loose in Birmingham, claiming antisemitism if they are banned:

The derby match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Hapoel Tel Aviv has been abandoned before kick-off today after serious fan unrest, smoke grenades, stones thrown and several police officers and civilians wounded with many arrests.

I think it is worthwhile addressing why a club known to have a bad rep when it comes to football hooliganism, not just in Amsterdam but in Athens and elsewhere, has resulted in cries of antisemitism even from the PM. This is causing a potentially inflammatory situation to become even worse. Surely the police are allowed to make the right call based upon intel they have about these fans, without having to deal with the heightened emotions of those who really don’t seem to have much idea what this is really all about. Not antisemitism but just good old fashioned football hooliganism.
The PM and media reporting were way off beam with this one.

I think you have a point.

Guessing that something is antisemitism is not good enough.
The PM and others need to be sure.
Perhaps they are?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ylxn8g2y2o

Think I will leave this thread!

I dont know what the answer is.

escaped

But why should Villa have to change its match location? The Home team is always considered to have a significant advantage over the visiting team.

It could be in a third place, but wouldn't the problems be just the same?

bmacca

These are the hooligans that many want to let loose in Birmingham, claiming antisemitism if they are banned:

The derby match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Hapoel Tel Aviv has been abandoned before kick-off today after serious fan unrest, smoke grenades, stones thrown and several police officers and civilians wounded with many arrests.

I wasn’t sure where I stood on this, in fact I was inclined to think the ban should be lifted, until I saw the reports about this.

It does look like the police made the right call.

Maremia

Exactly Rosie. Not just 'vandalism'.
Really serious consequences. All must be considered.

All must be considered. I agree, It's just really surprising that the inconvenience, vandalism etc has never been a consideration when it's come to the constant protest marches/road blocking etc in London. It's almost like Londoners are to be disregarded in a manner that doesn't apply to any other group. Londoners must only be counted when to do so is to point out any perceived advantage they enjoy.

"The Israeli Premier League derby between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Hapoel Tel Aviv was cancelled before kick-off on Sunday, after what police described as "public disorder and violent riots".

Dozens of smoke grenades and pyrotechnic devices were thrown," Israeli police posted on X, adding "this is not a football game, this is disorder and serious violence".

Twelve civilians and three officers were injured, police said, while nine people were arrested and 16 detained for questioning.”

It seems the decision had been vindicated.

Why can’t the game be played without the Maccabi fans? They could watch it on television, and not riot, good all around.