Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

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I wonder if Starmer regrets getting involved in the situation after the violence in Israel.

Yes I have wondered that.

I do think the point about the separation of police and politics is really important.

The police look at security and risk and nothing else. To suggest otherwise is to politicise the police, which is a very dangerous road to travel.

Imo he’s completely misjudged this. However, all of the other party leaders are supporting him because they’re terrified of appearing anti semitic.

Shows how stupid the other party leaders are too MayBee.

“In 2023, UEFA banned Legia Warsaw from having any away supporters at five European games after violent clashes at a Europa Conference League game at Aston Villa.

As recently as last month, Ajax supporters were banned from travelling to Marseille for their Champions League fixture against Olympique Marseille

Eintracht Frankfurt fans will also be banned from an upcoming Champions League match at Napoli on 4 November.

Leeds United banned Galatasaray fans from attending the second leg at Elland Road, claiming that the safety of fans inside the stadium could not be guaranteed. This followed two fatal stabbings at the first leg”.
There’s nothing new about banning fans etc.

If political leaders in the UK are deliberately misreading the room in order not to have accusations of antisemitism levelled against them when antisemitism is not occurring, not only is this a Swiftian absurdity but completely partial and highly damaging inasmuch as people could assume that genuine accusations of antisemitism are simply being used as a political lever or to have immunity to rules - as with the ban - that apply to everyone else.

If Starmer and others allow Maccabi fans to come people will hold them responsible for the consequences.
To go against the assessment by the police was rash and now he is in a difficult position.
If I was in that neighbourhood I would want to know why the government was not protecting me and my family and giving precedence to foreign fans who have shown how violent they are.
Because he became involved and shouted 'antisemitism' he will be afraid of that label sticking.
I hope he has the guts to do the right thing and let the ban remain in place.
Who is he there for, I wonder, the British public or Israeli fans?

That - unfortunately is what I think babs and aga

The derby game between two Tel Aviv teams was called off due to rioting:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgr4n07509wo

If Israel can’t control their fans why should UK.

Fairislecable

The derby game between two Tel Aviv teams was called off due to rioting:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgr4n07509wo

If Israel can’t control their fans why should UK.

Good point.

If the Israeli police can make a decision to call off the game, our police should be able to just ban the fans. At least the game will still then be played.

For those who think this matter is just about football fan violence ( it isn’t) what about the situation where Ajax were coming to Villa Park? They’ve shown violence to Tel Aviv fans and several just jailed in Amsterdam, yet there would be no question of banning them.They’re not Jews and not from Israel.
What the police are bothered by is the very real threat of pro Palestinians outside the ground spoiling for a fight with the maccabi fans.

Oreo

For those who think this matter is just about football fan violence ( it isn’t) what about the situation where Ajax were coming to Villa Park? They’ve shown violence to Tel Aviv fans and several just jailed in Amsterdam, yet there would be no question of banning them.They’re not Jews and not from Israel.
What the police are bothered by is the very real threat of pro Palestinians outside the ground spoiling for a fight with the maccabi fans.

So it’s purely down to those nasty people who are unhappy about the way the Palestinians are being treated, nothing to do with the way that Maccabi fans are known to behave?

No, it’s the nasty people who are pro Palestinian and wish to have a punch up with Israeli Jews.

Oreo so you think that Maccabi fans should come to Aston Villa despite their track record of violence and disruptive behaviour?
You would be happy to see another disgraceful fracas that was seen in Israel on our streets?
The police are responsible for their own citizens and don't want anyone here who will cause danger. Their role is keeping the peace. Seems Maccabi fans just want to fight.

The Israeli fracas was a derby, always problematic.
Tel Avic maccabi fans shouldn’t be banned, but if and when they do come and they alone kick off with violence ( as opposed to defending themselves from others) then there should be a future ban on them.

“Maccabi fans just want to fight”.

Well perhaps.

But who would they be fighting! The Aston Villa fans? F it was just about football.

But the fight (if it happened) would be the Maccabi fans, the Pro-Palestine protesters and anyone else who supported either side.

You can’t pretend it’s just about football with that on the agenda. Or you can………

Lathyrus3

“Maccabi fans just want to fight”.

Well perhaps.

But who would they be fighting! The Aston Villa fans? F it was just about football.

But the fight (if it happened) would be the Maccabi fans, the Pro-Palestine protesters and anyone else who supported either side.

You can’t pretend it’s just about football with that on the agenda. Or you can………

No it's about risk and defending public order.

But there’s been loads of posts about other fan clashes at various matches, as if that’s what we’re talking about.

Then cancel the match forthwith.

You CANNOT have the host country (under whatever guise, MPs, SAG, police, community, government etc) deciding to ban the supporters of one of the teams after the match has been arranged. It is shameful and brings disgrace to Britain.

Why we are constantly subjected to this constant violent behaviour on the pretext it is to do with football is beyond me.

www.theguardian.com/football/2025/oct/19/tel-aviv-football-derby-between-hapoel-and-maccabi-called-off-after-rioting

For those who keep saying is anti semitic watch the vid included with this piece. Was the Tel Aviv derby with the Maccabi team and another Israeli team, which had to be called off due to the violent clashes.
So, are we then to assume that this violence was caused by antisemitism?
This argument is totally nonsensical.

eazybee

Then cancel the match forthwith.

You CANNOT have the host country (under whatever guise, MPs, SAG, police, community, government etc) deciding to ban the supporters of one of the teams after the match has been arranged. It is shameful and brings disgrace to Britain.

Why we are constantly subjected to this constant violent behaviour on the pretext it is to do with football is beyond me.

It doesn't bring shame on the host country if visiting fans can't behave.

I really don’t understand why other teams with known hooligans turning up at matches are banned for this, including the team Maccabi played in Amsterdam, yet normally balanced posters are intent upon this team’s fans not being banned.
Why?
Do the same rules not apply?

Perhaps they could explain their reasons to the police who obviously are working on up to date intel. Or are they antisemitic too?

As the supporting fans are not allowed to visit you will be unable to discover what their behaviour is like.

I have no idea what other fans have been banned as I have little interest in football, but it is patently unfair and extremely rude to arrange a match, then at a later date tell the visiting team that their fans cannot attend.
Cancel the match

Violent, racist Israeli football fans do not represent Jews. They don’t even represent all Israelis. Conversely, an aversion to hosting violent, racist football fans is not antisemitism. It is a public order matter. Meanwhile, imagining that violent foreign football fans who chant “Death to the Arabs!” need protecting because they also happen to be Jewish is antisemitic and Islamophobic in equal measure.

“Death to the Arabs” Awful.

Just as bad as “Show no mercy”

And there in lies the problem………..