Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

The simple fact is this is just a game. Either cancel it or have a closed door game where fans are not allowed.

eazybee

As the supporting fans are not allowed to visit you will be unable to discover what their behaviour is like.

I have no idea what other fans have been banned as I have little interest in football, but it is patently unfair and extremely rude to arrange a match, then at a later date tell the visiting team that their fans cannot attend.
Cancel the match

It's not those who have called for a ban who are rude. That really is victim blaming.

Oreo

For those who think this matter is just about football fan violence ( it isn’t) what about the situation where Ajax were coming to Villa Park? They’ve shown violence to Tel Aviv fans and several just jailed in Amsterdam, yet there would be no question of banning them.They’re not Jews and not from Israel.
What the police are bothered by is the very real threat of pro Palestinians outside the ground spoiling for a fight with the maccabi fans.

I very much doubt whether you were consulted (or even informed) when the decision to ban the fans was made. You need to accept the real reasons and stop trying to twist this to suit your agenda.

Babs03

The simple fact is this is just a game. Either cancel it or have a closed door game where fans are not allowed.

I agree.

Any updates on a decision?

growstuff

Oreo

For those who think this matter is just about football fan violence ( it isn’t) what about the situation where Ajax were coming to Villa Park? They’ve shown violence to Tel Aviv fans and several just jailed in Amsterdam, yet there would be no question of banning them.They’re not Jews and not from Israel.
What the police are bothered by is the very real threat of pro Palestinians outside the ground spoiling for a fight with the maccabi fans.

I very much doubt whether you were consulted (or even informed) when the decision to ban the fans was made. You need to accept the real reasons and stop trying to twist this to suit your agenda.

Or perhaps you need to accept the real reason and I already know it.🤔

That's just your opinion of the real reason Oreo.
Why would the police issue a ban on these fans without good reason. Are you saying the police and Aston Villa are antisemitic and that's the only reason they have been banned?

Oreo

growstuff

Oreo

For those who think this matter is just about football fan violence ( it isn’t) what about the situation where Ajax were coming to Villa Park? They’ve shown violence to Tel Aviv fans and several just jailed in Amsterdam, yet there would be no question of banning them.They’re not Jews and not from Israel.
What the police are bothered by is the very real threat of pro Palestinians outside the ground spoiling for a fight with the maccabi fans.

I very much doubt whether you were consulted (or even informed) when the decision to ban the fans was made. You need to accept the real reasons and stop trying to twist this to suit your agenda.

Or perhaps you need to accept the real reason and I already know it.🤔

Hahaha!

You said yourself that it’s about maintaining public order.

About both the fans and the protesters who intend to gather if the game goes ahead. Whether there are fans f any kind allowed or not..

The issue is not about football fans from Israel or anywhere abroad. It is about a powerful protest group who have ensured their desires are met through the threat of force that the police cannot manage.

Today the Israelis. Tomorrow………?

Oldnproud

Babs03

The simple fact is this is just a game. Either cancel it or have a closed door game where fans are not allowed.

I agree.

No. It's a knock out competition. The winner of this match earns the right to play in the next round. Aston Villa has done absolutely nothing wrong and doesn't deserve to be denied the opportunity to go through to the next round. Even the Maccabi Tel Aviv team should be able to go through if it wins. It's the fans who are being punished as a result of their history.

It looks as though a political decision will allow the Maccabi fans to come. On their own heads be it.
The government have assured the police they will give them resources to manage it. I feel very sorry for the people in that area.
It's up to Maccabi to ensure they weed out trouble makers. Everywhere they go there has been violence and vindictive chanting.

Violence and racist chanting.

The government has pledged additional resources if they come. SAG which advises the council with regard to issuing safety certificates will revise the decision if West Midland Police changes its risk assessment.

So it looks as if this decision will not be a political one, but one determined by the polices risk assessment which is how it should be.

Presumably the TelAviv police are anti-Semites as they had to ban the match yesterday due to rioting. Two TelAviv teams fans can't behave so match cancelled.

Let's hope no one is hurt if this goes ahead.

Smileless2012

The government has pledged additional resources if they come. SAG which advises the council with regard to issuing safety certificates will revise the decision if West Midland Police changes its risk assessment.

So it looks as if this decision will not be a political one, but one determined by the polices risk assessment which is how it should be.

Yes the police are the ones with the experience and if they say it is too dangerous they should be listened to.

AGAA4

That's just your opinion of the real reason Oreo.
Why would the police issue a ban on these fans without good reason. Are you saying the police and Aston Villa are antisemitic and that's the only reason they have been banned?

You didn’t read my posts then? It’s nothing to do with either the club or the police being antisemitic.
It’s to do with both the club (and really) the police thinking they can’t manage things if those not interested in football gather around Villa Park to have a go at Israeli Jews because of Gaza.
You’ve already read I suppose about an Imam saying ‘show them no mercy’?

The police gave the assessment that it was not safe to invite Maccabi fans but because they are Israelis they can come. Anyone else and nothing would have been said.
I hope they take full responsibility for any people injured or property damaged. The reason they are sending more resources is because they do fear a riot.
I still believe this is political. The government don't usually get involved in football matches .

Anyone else snd there would only have been fans to manage and then the decision would have been based on that.

It’s because pro Palestine protesters turned it into a political protest that the decision was taken.

AGAA4 anyone else and there wouldn’t have been locals and others just dying to have a pop at the Israeli fans.
The principle of excluding the fans was all wrong.The police were understandably worried about violence but certainly not all as a result of football fans.They were also appeasing local minorities.

X posts Lathyrus3

Israeli Police are allowed to cancel but British police may not?

Aston has a big Bangladeshi population - about 80% I think - but cannot envisage any trouble from them as they have been Brummies for a long time and are not looking for trouble.
I will be surprised to see any real local problem unless the Pro-Palastine faction are mobilised.
The police will be out in force and I doubt any troublemakers will get near Villa Park.

Israeli police are just controlling/cancelling matches between Israeli teams , just as could happen here if necessary say between Celtic and Rangers or Spurs and Arsenal.They aren’t banning British fans going there.
Is the concept really so hard to understand , that this is about visiting Israelis.
Any big group of Israelis or any big group of Jews visiting Aston or anywhere around Birmingham, London, Bradford, Bury, Blackburn and so on would bring about huge protests that the police would groan about security and say they couldn’t manage it.
Football is irrelevant IMO.

Public order issues are always relevant.So disrespectful to imply that about Police reaction.

But that’s exactly the West Midlands police reaction! Presumably now being told they have to step up and manage it.
Given extra resources to do so.