Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

As I know you will be aware, despite consistent efforts by the FA and clubs, our male and female players get awful racist abuse and chants

I agree with you that not all Israelis should be damned for the behaviour of the Maccabi ultras, just as not every English person was damned when Millwall was considered one of the most racist and violent teams in Europe.

Not all Israeli football fans should be damned for the behaviour of the Maccabi ultras, just as not every English football fan should be damned when Millwall was considered one of the most violent teams in the UK.

iam64 re your uneasiness at accusations that dam Israelis.

Honestly that is not what I am saying. I am saying that thr hard right fans of Maccabi, who chant “death to all Arabs” and gleefully announce that bombed schools are not needed in Gaza because there are no children, amongst other foul things, - by their rhetoric show a visceral hatred that I find hard to swallow. Along side the rhetoric, comes the violence.

It goes without saying - but perhaps need to be said on here - thst there will be Israelis who are as appallled as I and I am sure sny fair minded person is, and frankly would want nothing to do with such ideology.

I would not welcome such people with such murderous rhetoric. Hopefully, Maccabi will sort these fans out and prevent them from travelling to other countries, just as other football clubs have done with some if their fans. . These thugs can hardly be considered ambassadors for their team!

growmore just read Maccabi”s history.

Interesting. Thank you

If there’s any trouble in November at the Villa ground, either inside or out it will be entirely the pro Palestinian groups as the fans aren’t going to come to it.There they’ll be, hollering and shouting the odds.

Whitewavemark2

iam64 re your uneasiness at accusations that dam Israelis.

Honestly that is not what I am saying. I am saying that thr hard right fans of Maccabi, who chant “death to all Arabs” and gleefully announce that bombed schools are not needed in Gaza because there are no children, amongst other foul things, - by their rhetoric show a visceral hatred that I find hard to swallow. Along side the rhetoric, comes the violence.

It goes without saying - but perhaps need to be said on here - thst there will be Israelis who are as appallled as I and I am sure sny fair minded person is, and frankly would want nothing to do with such ideology.

I would not welcome such people with such murderous rhetoric. Hopefully, Maccabi will sort these fans out and prevent them from travelling to other countries, just as other football clubs have done with some if their fans. . These thugs can hardly be considered ambassadors for their team!

Some of the Maccabi fans bad behaviour is obviously not palatable to Israelis either. The recent derby in Tel Aviv where Maccabi fans were supporting their team in the same inimitable manner was cancelled due to missiles being thrown onto the football ground and people injured before the game even started.
Am pretty sure that the majority of football fans in Israel do not condone this kind of behaviour, especially those poor Israelis living near the stadiums used.

And I hardly think we can blame the derby cancellation in Tel Aviv on antisemitism.

The issue was raised in Parliament by Uan Duncan Smith who said that the team played against a Turkish one. Another politician gave the further information,that yes, the game was played, but it was moved to a different country Hungary, and it was played behind closed doors.
This is now way a new thing. That club has form.

I think the pro Palestinian protestors would very quickly be joined not only with Maccabi fans but Yaxley Lennon and his thugs, all looking for a good kicking, promising to show up to support the Maccabi fans, if the game went ahead, so why Starmer and co were still eager to let the fans attend is beyond me.
There would have been multiple injuries - including of police officers - and even possible fatalities. Am not blaming any side, they would all kick off but am blaming the government for not putting the safety of the public and the police above their own political careers, which would have been tarnished with accusations of anti semitism if they had supported the ban.

Babs03

I think the pro Palestinian protestors would very quickly be joined not only with Maccabi fans but Yaxley Lennon and his thugs, all looking for a good kicking, promising to show up to support the Maccabi fans, if the game went ahead, so why Starmer and co were still eager to let the fans attend is beyond me.
There would have been multiple injuries - including of police officers - and even possible fatalities. Am not blaming any side, they would all kick off but am blaming the government for not putting the safety of the public and the police above their own political careers, which would have been tarnished with accusations of anti semitism if they had supported the ban.

Especially as Yaxley Lennon has recently been invited to give a talk in Israel. I mean, what was that all about and who is ready to condone it? It surely proves that there are extreme right wingers in Israel.

I’m not in any way suggesting Maccabi represent the majority in Israel or that their behaviour is in any way acceptable

The government didn't have the common sense to keep out of local matters. The police knew there would be violence with this Maccabi team and put the people who would be affected first. The British public.
The government have been cowardly.

AGAA4

The government didn't have the common sense to keep out of local matters. The police knew there would be violence with this Maccabi team and put the people who would be affected first. The British public.
The government have been cowardly.

I think the government have seriously misread this situation. I have to say this because I’ve always said that, as a lifelong Labour voter I will always criticise them if I find them at fault and will praise other parties if I agree with them.

Babs03

And I hardly think we can blame the derby cancellation in Tel Aviv on antisemitism.

Well of course not as it was in Israel, but it would be antisemitism over here.The denials are tedious .

AGAA4

The government didn't have the common sense to keep out of local matters. The police knew there would be violence with this Maccabi team and put the people who would be affected first. The British public.
The government have been cowardly.

No, the government was doing the right thing, or trying to.
If there’s trouble at Villa Park or outside it by antisemitic crowds, even tho no fans there, what will be the denials and excuses then?

@Oreo

“Well of course not as it was in Israel, but it would be antisemitism over here.The denials are tedious”

And just what would it be if the Maccabi fans and Yaxley Lennons thugs turned on the pro Palestinian lot, whom I am not defending if they just want trouble.
Could that possibly be Islamophobia??
The anti Arab chants, the support from racist thugs.
This is a two way street Oreo. I recognise that but do you?
And btw I hope you have dropped the bleating about Starmer being after the Muslim vote. Which I said at the time was nonsense.

Bleating?
Rather rude and I don’t remember saying that.If I did it would have only been once in any case.

It was not anti-Semitism. Protecting the British public from harm is the job of the police and until now I believed to be the job of the government.
The police were right the government was wrong.

It’s not happening as the Israeli fans aren’t coming, tho the maccabi TA team are and I bet they get heckling inside the ground and yelled at outside the ground and I only hope that’s the extent of the hate from the locals and others.

AGAA4

It was not anti-Semitism. Protecting the British public from harm is the job of the police and until now I believed to be the job of the government.
The police were right the government was wrong.

We shall never agree on that.

We will find out next month how the pro Palestinian crowds here behave won’t we?

Public Order is more important than being PC.

Oreo

Babs03

And I hardly think we can blame the derby cancellation in Tel Aviv on antisemitism.

Well of course not as it was in Israel, but it would be antisemitism over here.The denials are tedious .

That doesn’t make sense to me . Can only some people be accused of anti semitism but others not??

Let’s try this scenario. A football team whose supporters use anti semitic chants and are known to be troublemakers is due to play a UK team over here but the police ban the supporters. Do we suppose the government would stick its oar in??
I very much doubt it and would wholeheartedly agree that the supporters should be banned.
Does anyone think that this decision would be wrong?
Am very interested in peoples replies to this one.

Well yes the Government would stick its oar in if the reason for the ban was that a mass of pro Semitic protesters were intending to gather in order to hurl racist abuse at the team and carry out violent acts. If there had been public calls for violence without mercy from prominent Jewish leaders.

It would be the reverse of the case before us and the principle would be the same. The Government could not allow a racist mob to dictate what happens on our streets because they fear the violence that the mob threatens.