Grooming gangs in London

Allira

No, it is not meant as an attack, but this is about abused children, not marital abuse and coercive control etc, although that does deserve a thread of its own.

It's not an attack, it's pointing out that deflections detract from the main issue here.

All abuse is abuse; we need to tackle it all. The idea that one particular ethnic or religious group should be treated differently is simply a deflection that means you are setting one abused person above another.

How can this be right?

Wyllow3

M61, Lowe is talking about it in 2024/5.

Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, has been fighting the cause since 2015 (yes, enquiry specific on grooming gangs).

But surely GB new has mentioned her too? No? what a surprise.

Read here

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/09/sarah-champion-mp-rotherham-job-living-hell

RL is talking about it has has been working with one of the vitamins- at least it’s still in the public domain, not being swept under the carpet

Wyllow3

M61, Lowe is talking about it in 2024/5.

Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, has been fighting the cause since 2015 (yes, enquiry specific on grooming gangs).

But surely GB new has mentioned her too? No? what a surprise.

Read here

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/09/sarah-champion-mp-rotherham-job-living-hell

No not on GB news but a doc/drama.

Primrose53

growstuff

Mt61

Nurseundercover

Maggie Oliver should be commissioned to head the whole investigation, she is knowledgeable, thorough and has integrity. A fantastic lady, where is her knighthood?

Absolutely 💯 she should get an award of some merit

Hmm ... I suspect that's what she wants.

Spiteful comment.

I suspect Maggie Oliver doesn't want people delving too deeply into her foundation at the moment, which they might do, if she were to be given any formal role in the inquiry. That is not a spiteful comment. One of the foundation's ex-employees has been charged at Manchester Magistrates Court with publishing the identity of a sexual abuse survivor under the care of the Maggie Oliver Foundation on social media. Maggie has been accused of a cover up by one of the victims.

Abuse of children by adults is quite different to abuse of adults by other adults. I'm amazed that anyone doesn't recognise the power imbalance at the starting point. Adult abuse of other adults is reprehensible, but adult abuse of children is on another level beyond the pale. In my opinion, other opinions are available.

Allira

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Thank you fancy that. There are many common factors in abuse, experiencing it helps understand those manipulative aspects and help others.

M61, Lowe is talking about it in 2024/5.

Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, has been fighting the cause since 2015 (yes, enquiry specific on grooming gangs).

But surely GB new has mentioned her too? No? what a surprise.

Read here

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/09/sarah-champion-mp-rotherham-job-living-hell

Kate1949

I know there were others speaking out but Maggie shouted loudest. Good for her.

Yes but they tried to get the ball rolling, to no avails because authorities didn’t want to know, so thank goodness Maggie took over. Also didn’t hat journalist do a lot of ground work, also Rupert Lowe?

If you are wanting only an echo chamber, then Gransnet is not the place. This is an open forum.
It is not up to you or any other of us to dictate what may be discussed, within the rules.
Why not just skip past the posts that 'annoy' you. There are always plenty of others to read and agree with.

Wyllow3

fancythat

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

If help and justice is to come, it should come for all victims, not just the victims of a chosen ethnicity.

Deflection

This is about Asian grooming gangs.

If you are concerned about other ethnic grooming gangs maybe start a thread…

No - if we think the issues are about all grooming gangs but of course that does mean all so includes those concerns.

Given that the thread is entitled Grooming Gangs in London we are off on a wider brief already.

Wyllow3 - were you grromed yourself?
By non Asians?

Several of us seem to find your constant deflection posts quite difficult to understand.

I was in a co-ercive abuse partner than marriage for 11 years and the end bits were grim - police, threats of death, (yes truly), threats to my DiL, fancythat

That is not a deflection post!

I am sorry for what you went through.

I appreciate you posting that.

Report again if you wish.

But I will point out that this is about children abused by grooming gangs and constant deflections are a distraction.

The essence of the inquiry.
* not enquiry
That’s totally different, folk.

No, it is not meant as an attack, but this is about abused children, not marital abuse and coercive control etc, although that does deserve a thread of its own.

It's not an attack, it's pointing out that deflections detract from the main issue here.

Excuse me, but is that the second attack on Wyllow, on a Thread about condemning abuse?
Get a grip. We are not enemies

Ok.

But it was u0yet another deflection.

Quite a different situation to children being groomed and abused by gangs which is what we are discussing and concerned about.

I do feel sorry for those in abusive situations and am not unaware of them, obviously, having people close to me who were and are suffering, but they are adults.

These are under-age children.

Reported.

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FriedGreenTomatoes2

^A focus on Asian/Pakistani gangs who abuse white girls stigmatises Asian males and gives the impression that all of them are sexual predators^.

No it doesn’t at all growstuff. Stop splitting hairs.

Undeniably Pakistani rape gangs have been operating for nigh on 20 years now, pretty much unchecked. In areas where Councils were/are Labour run (votes anyone? Always important to an MP especially if hanging on by a very slim majority so let’s not upset the apple cart 🤔).

Taxi drivers (mostly) offering fast food treats, alcohol and drugs to girls who were often ‘in care’ (that’s a laugh in itself - how does that even pretend to be look ing after vulnerable, emotionally needy young teens who constantly went AWOL and came ‘home’ sometimes days later - having been ‘passed around’ by said males). One girl has said 60 men raped her over an extended period of time. Ye gods. Just let that thought alone permeate one’s mind.

But to even suggest that by focusing on these known perpetrators vilify a whole ethnicity is just plain daft (and insulting).

Anyone, no matter what creed, colour o religion should be held to account. No fear, no favour. Same just laws for everyone please.

The Statue of Liberty wears a blindfold.
That’s how it should be.

I wasn't "splitting hairs" and you you just proved I wasn't.

fancythat

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

If help and justice is to come, it should come for all victims, not just the victims of a chosen ethnicity.

Deflection

This is about Asian grooming gangs.

If you are concerned about other ethnic grooming gangs maybe start a thread…

No - if we think the issues are about all grooming gangs but of course that does mean all so includes those concerns.

Given that the thread is entitled Grooming Gangs in London we are off on a wider brief already.

Wyllow3 - were you grromed yourself?
By non Asians?

Several of us seem to find your constant deflection posts quite difficult to understand.

I was in a co-ercive abuse partner than marriage for 11 years and the end bits were grim - police, threats of death, (yes truly), threats to my DiL, fancythat

That is not a deflection post!

Oreo

But in any case the survivors need to be listened to, they have no faith in ex police or ex social services people.The Chair needs to be totally impartial.

The chair needs to be impartial, not ex-police or ex-social services. But there does need to be police & social service people on the panel if we want the best results from the process.
The failings were of the police & social services. Therefore they(police & social services) have to be an important part of the solution, & the best way of making recommendations that they can respect & implement as quickly as possible, is to have representatives from their professions taking a role in the enquiry.They know better than anyone where things can go wrong in their management structure & how to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I was only trying to point out that the colour of a person’s skin should make absolutely no impact on deciding whether or not they are guilty. Everyone should be treated the same. Good souls come in all creeds and colours. Bad people are just that.

Is there any way to protect vulnerable witnesses from such bullying tactics by lawyers?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

No the blindfold IS important!
It enables impartiality - no differentiation with colour/ethnicity. ✔️

I'm sorry,,but why are you emphasising this? Isn't it a quality we take for granted with British justice?

Or is it a get out if the result of the inquiry isn't to people's satisfaction?

The right have been working hard on instilling mistrust of British justice. What with judges as 'enemies of the people',claims of 'two tier justice' and all the 'leftie human rights lawyers'.

What would people say if someone of Asian origin was asked to chair the inquiry, I wonder?

TerriBull

Jane43

Sorry Terribull I did not see your post I was repeating the case you describe, it has always been on my mind because it is so close to where we live and was also in the home town of our two granddaughters.

I do hope all the girls of that town are safe now, like other hot spots, there are quite a number of them, Telford has had many young girls fall victims to these gangs. The fate of Lucy Lowe and her family was truly horrific.

West Mercia Police worked very hard to bring some of these men to justice, unfortunately the case collapsed because one of the girls withdrew because she was cross examined repeatedly very aggressively by seven barristers, one for each of the accused, her morality was called into question in the most disgusting way. There was actually a tv documentary about this. The town has also been blighted by organized marches by Tommy Robinson, thankfully there hasn’t been one for some time now.

Not quite the same, but relates in part to that tragic story of the young mother who was murdered, see posts upthread, and then the Grandad had to fight for custody of the child, from the rapist, murdering father, (or was it his family?)
Starmer spoke in Parliament about the proposed deletion of the clause,
'Presumption of parental involvement'.
Slow, but still progress.