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What Trump is up to when he’s not trying to be world peacemaker..

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MayBee70 Thu 23-Oct-25 13:59:15

“A landmark deal to cut global shipping emissions has been abandoned after Saudi Arabia and the US succeeded in ending the talks.
More than 100 countries had gathered in London to approve a deal first agreed in April, which would have seen shipping become the world's first industry to adopt internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
But US President Donald Trump had called the plan a "green scam" and representatives of his administration had threatened countries with tariffs if they voted in favour of it.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio declared the outcome a "huge win" for Trump.
But reflecting the pressure countries faced, the Secretary General of the International Maritime Organisation Arsenio Dominguez issued a "plea" for this not to be repeated.
In a dramatic conclusion on Friday, when countries should have been voting to approve the deal, Saudi Arabia tabled a motion to adjourn the talks for a year.
The chairman said this would mean that the agreement was not approved, as key timelines for the treaty would have to be revised.
The motion passed by just a handful of votes.
Hon. Ralph Regenvanu, Minister for Climate Change for the Republic of Vanuatu, said Saudi Arabia's motion was "unacceptable given the urgency we face in light of accelerating climate change".
"We came to London in reluctant support of the IMO's Net-Zero Framework. While it lacks the ambition that climate science demands, it does mark a significant step," he said.
The shipping industry has been broadly supportive of the deal because it offered consistent global standards.
Speaking after the talks ended, Thomas Kazakos, secretary-general of the industry body the International Chamber of Shipping, said : "We are disappointed that member states have not been able to agree a way forward at this meeting."
"Industry needs clarity to be able to make the investments," he added.
The UK and most EU nations voted to continue the talks, but some countries including Greece went against the EU bloc and voted to abstain.
The countries that voted in favour of adjourning the talks included Russia, Saudi Arabia and the US, who raised concerns that the deal would lead to price rises for consumers.
Some key countries including China that had initially voted to support the deal in April agreed to delay proceedings.
Island states Bahamas also changed their position and Antigua and Barbuda, who agreed in April, abstained. A delegate from the island states group told the BBC that these nations particularly rely on the US for trade and had been leaned on heavily by the Trump administration to change their position.
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The deal was first agreed in April after ten years of negotiations and was considered historic as it meant shipping was set to become the first industry in the world with internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
The agreement had meant that from 2028 ship owners would have to use increasingly cleaner fuels or face fines.
Shipping currently makes up 3% of global emissions, with levels increasing in line with global trade rises – 90% of goods are currently transported via the sea. Unlike other sectors shipping has been unable to reduce its emissions, in part due to the lack of cost incentive.
"There is no fuel as cheap as diesel that ships use today because when we take crude oil out of the ground, we take out all the nice bits, that's the kerosene for aviation, diesel and petrol for cars," Faig Abbasov, programme director for maritime transport at think tank Transport and Environment, told the BBC during the last IMO negotiations.
This means without intervention the International Maritime Organisation , externalpreviously estimated that by 2050 emissions could grow by between 10% and 150%.
The meeting this week in London between nations had been to make the final approval and finalise the next steps. But since April the US has been increasingly vocal about its objections to the plan which they are concerned could raise prices for goods for its consumers.
Posting on Truth Social on Thursday night President Trump wrote: "The United States will NOT stand for this Global Green New Scam Tax on Shipping. We will not tolerate increased prices on American Consumers."
With talks now delayed the carefully planned timeline to get the regulations in place for 2028 does not appear feasible.
"A delay in action may require changes to the text of agreement that undermine the planned timeline, and could revert years of work to date," said Blánaid Sheeran, an observer to the talks and policy officer at environmental NGO Opportunity Green.
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I think people need to remember the amount of chaos and destruction this man is creating both in his own country and abroad…angry

imaround Mon 27-Oct-25 16:36:54

Trust me, this whole ballroom upset isn't going away any time soon. The People are big mad that he destroyed the White House without following proper channels.

There is also the fact that 40 million people will be without food benefits and in a few days, and our health insurance is no longer on reach for many Americans. I have employer sponsored and my out of pocket max doubled from $6500 a year to $12,900 a year. I haven't seen the actual rate increase yet, but the average cost of an employer sponsor ed plan for this year is $27,000. Our portion of that was about $800 a month last year.

I also just got my first "not medically necessary" letter for an MRI my youngest needs in December to see if a cyst of the pineal gland is growing or not.

We just had the largest (geographically and crowd size) protest in American history.

The farmers and cattle ranchers have the highest rate of bankruptcies and suicides right now.

His stupid Versailles ballroom trick may set off something he doesn't expect.

People with starving children will do a lot to ensure their kids are fed.

Maremia Mon 27-Oct-25 17:04:43

imaround, sorry to hear all of that. Watching from afar, with sympathy.
Caught a video of him taunting two of the female democrat politicians, about how well he did on an aptitude test.
The tasks he was quoting, in which he claimed to have had excelled, are part of the ongoing assessment, to see if you are suffering mental decline after a stroke.
Perhaps time is not on his side.

Casdon Mon 27-Oct-25 17:33:57

That is frightening to hear imaround. I’ve been following the Shutdown on CNN, and nobody in the senate seems to be giving an inch, it must be awful, particularly for young families who are in government jobs and living month to month because they have high mortgages.

imaround Mon 27-Oct-25 18:13:50

Be very careful blaming the Democrats. What they are doing is ensuring that out insurance subsidies remain. People will be without healthcare without them. And that is going to cost us a lot of money in emergency room visits.

An example is a couple in Washington State who was paying $500 a month on the market place with subsidies. In 2026 that will jump to over $2000 a month.

They will be dropping their health insurance and going uninsured.

Trump can release emergency funds to pay the SNAP benefits because the money has already been appropriated by Congress last May in case of a shutdown.

All Democrats are asking for is for Americans to have help paying for health insurance. That is not unreasonable.

imaround Mon 27-Oct-25 18:14:56

Sorry, I didn't meant imply anyone here is blaming Democrats. I meant that as a general caution.

imaround Mon 27-Oct-25 18:22:54

"But if Congress doesn’t extend the subsidy enhancements that have been keeping coverage more affordable since 2021, this couple will lose their subsidy altogether.

The Gold plan that currently costs them $300/month will cost an estimated $4,713/month in 2026.
And the Bronze plan they can currently get for $0/month will cost an estimated $3,817/month.5
If they keep the Gold plan, they’ll be spending two-thirds of their household income on health insurance."

This is why Democrats are digging their heels in.

www.healthinsurance.org/blog/subsidy-cliff-will-return-in-2026-if-congress-doesnt-act/