Well, that ceasefire didn't last long.

"You would certainly be safe in Israel" but not if you are a Muslim. Attacks on mosques by Israeli police and ongoing harassment and violence towards them.
The Israeli government does use discrimination towards Muslims.

….and those dogs?

Where's the wall to go and hit my head against - yes....I have seen (more than once) lots of skeletal looking people walking around/sitting around in Gaza. Yes - I have very rarely seen overweight people in Gaza.

Now where is that wall - and something to use as a blindfold....

We obviously need even more photos/even more videos "telling it like it is" until no-one but no-one can deny the evidence of their eyes...

Are Palestinians in the West Bank safe?
Not according to international reporting.

CariadAgain

Well yep....the IDF can't be trusted one itsy bit - as they're out to steal other peoples land. Hamas, on the other hand, are going to be desperate - as they're trying to protect their land from having any more of it stolen.

I wouldnt want to get in the way of either of them....though, on balance, I think the IDF would worry me most (all else being equal - which it isn't......as I look so obviously British (or German or Icelandic) a mile off...and that alone might make me marginally safer).

You think you would be safe in Gaza with hamas?! You would certainly be safe in Israel.

CariadAgain have you really looked at all the published pics of Gazans in the streets? There are no skeletal adults or children, all are busy in some way or another and look normal.
The much staged pics of children did have illnesses and some recovered after treatment in other countries and at least one teenager died, in Italy I think.Things were hard for Gazans during the war this year and there will be malnutrition but they weren’t starving.

Where are anypics of fat dogs? It doesn’t pay to believe anything!
Gazans haven’t left bodies lying around to be eaten in any case and any that are impossible to reach are also impossible to reach by animals.This is yet more ridiculous propaganda from hamas.Don’t fall for it.

This whole thing is so frustrating - with the way a lot of people still can't or won't see what is going on and are making excuses for the IDF and/or settlers. I see this at a very personal level too - as a very good very long-term friend of mine can't and won't "see" it. She's a caring person in other respects - ie would give you the blanket off her bed and the food off her table - but she refuses to see what is happening in Palestine. In her case - it seems to be the fact that she's an evangelical Christian that is causing her to "blind herself" to the facts and she refuses to talk about the subject. So I guess it's the whole "It was given to them in a 2,000 year old book" argument that she's fallen for hook, line and sinker and refuses to see what is actually happening and what they're doing.

I guess also there's probably the thing of our country of Britain is one of the few in the world that still officially supports the wrong side in this - whereas most countries do seem to see what's going on and even Ireland here sees what is going on.

Anyone any suggestions for just how to approach this wilful blindness - the "Oh those children are SO very skin-and-bones because they personally are ill with an illness they personally would have anyway" thing we've even been mis-quoted at one point!!!! I think it must be difficult for even the "wilfully blind" to avoid seeing photos of ruined Gaza on the one hand - but suspect they're missing seeing the photos/videos of "life as normal" for one section of the population in some of the rest of Palestine (eg videos of those plump female IDF soldiers and ex-soldiers walking around normal-looking streets with guns slung around them).

Well yep....the IDF can't be trusted one itsy bit - as they're out to steal other peoples land. Hamas, on the other hand, are going to be desperate - as they're trying to protect their land from having any more of it stolen.

I wouldnt want to get in the way of either of them....though, on balance, I think the IDF would worry me most (all else being equal - which it isn't......as I look so obviously British (or German or Icelandic) a mile off...and that alone might make me marginally safer).

I trust the IDF as much as I trust Hamas - not at all.

Never excusable, and that's why they have International War Crimes legislation.

Hamas is vile, and I think most of us agree on that. I would have said 'all', but AnnieB might object.
I believe that about the dogs, and so not all will be recovered.

Have just re-read your post Fried. Thought at first it was filmed by the Red Cross, when it was the IDF who produced the footage.
Mmmmm, will wait and see if verification is forthcoming.

Atrocities both sides in a war.

I can follow the logic of the dogs not getting fed.....but....ugh still.

Wonder what happens re cats? I think the Palestinians are a nationality that are more likely to have cats as pets than dogs from what I can make out....

CariadAgain

Yuk! Re the dogs eating bodies.......

Horrible thought....

It is revolting but the dogs won't be getting fed so .........

I imagine must be a terrible stench of the bodies beneath the rubble.

Yuk! Re the dogs eating bodies.......

Horrible thought....

A UN official who has driven through Gaza said it was like Hiroshima. He asked why the dogs are so fat and was told they were feeding on the dead bodies.
To return all the hostages is not an easy task and Israel knows this. It's just another excuse to continue fighting.

Israel has released a video appearing to show Hamas temporarily burying a corpse to fake the discovery of a deceased hostage.

Footage shot from a drone released by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) appears to show Hamas terrorists digging a large hole before placing a body bag into it and covering it with soil.

The militants then film the “discovery” of the body before handing it over to the Red Cross.

The Red Cross condemned Hamas for staging the recovery of a hostage’s remains, in a rare statement criticising the terror group.

The organisation said its staff only saw what appeared to be the recovery of the body.

“It is unacceptable that a fake recovery was staged, when so much depends on this agreement being upheld and when so many families are still anxiously awaiting news of their loved ones,” the organisation said.

Oreo

The dead hostages would have been kept somewhere safe within the hundreds of miles of tunnels….they are/were worth a lot to hamas as bargaining chips.
Don’t fall for the under the rubble lies.Hamas are buying time to regroup and consolidate their positions.

There has been so much bombing that I doubt if anywhere at all has counted/does count as "safe" in Gaza. Add in the fact that I believe some of the hostages were kept in peoples flats - and those most definitely were not safe.

I doubt if those bodies will ever be found - at least not in an identifiable state for sure. Basically it seems to me that whatever way Trump and his son-in-law plan for the future of Gaza = I wouldnt want to go there on holiday ever to their hoped-for resort....as I'd be all too conscious just how many buried bodies I'd be walking over.

Maremia

'dragging their heals', or maybe having to excavate tons of IDF bombed rubble, with bodies lying there for months, with no forensic experts yet, to help identify which body was which person?
Could be that.

That - to me - is the likeliest explanation....ie first find the relevant bodies....and it's obvious to most of us that is going to be far from easy.

To me - the ceasefire was only ever a pause to regroup as far as Netanyahu is concerned. Thinks - must go back and find that YouTube video by that new African leader of Burkina Faso (a military man himself) and he was explaining that it's just tactics on Netanyahu's part and done just to give him time to regroup before launching into attack mode again. That did make sense as a logical argument...

Of course...another election coming up there and Netanyahu seeing getting right back into war as a useful little personal tactic also makes sense to me.

Guess it's a combination of all those factors combined.

Fingers crossed that lack of money will hit Netanyahu that hard at some point that he simply won't be able to finance any more fighting - as I gather that economy is being hit very hard by all the spending on war. Though I'm afraid I doubt he would think that logically.

And, as evidence is growing of Trump's apparent descent in dementia, who is really in command in tbe West Wing?

They are just so unbelievably evil.
Yes, we already knew that about Hamas but the IDF, the moral army?

BBC verify have found that the IDF have created the yellow line hundreds of metres further into.the Gaza strip than agreed in the ceasefire. Anyone crossing the yellow line will be shot even though there is no clarity of where the line actually is.
That seems to be a breach of the peace agreement to me.

nanna8

In a war situation I am not sure whether anything we hear is true or not. From either side.

True. At least you admit that Israel lies too (unlike some posters).