Moving immigrants to army camps?

Allira

growstuff

Aveline

Good point about the Ukrainian refugees. Women and children. The men left bravely fighting on.

Unlike Ukraine, there's a civil war in Sudan. There isn't an obvious right side to fight for.

So the answer is to leave and abandon the women and children to suffer their fate alone.

Apparently, the women want their sons to leave.

Families with women and children tend to go to Egypt (about 12 million have already fled). The single males are encouraged by their own families to go to Europe.

Most Sudanese don't want anything to do with either of the warring factions. There is no "good" side to fight for. My son-in-law's cousin (a doctor) was shot on the way to way to work and has a life-changing injury. His father is also a doctor, who had the opportunity to work abroad but decided to stay in his own country. The whole family has now abandoned their home and moved to Egypt, but don't know how certain their future is. Two sisters are in Egypt and another is a nurse in the UK.

There is another son, who is currently finishing his medical training and is hoping to move to Canada. There is no future for any of them in Sudan. The son is lucky because he's a medic and is in demand in many countries. He shouldn't have much of a problem getting a visa, but if he weren't a medic, I think he could very well be a "boat person".

Net migration fell sharply in 2024, to 431,000 – 52% lower than its peak! Why not talk about that?

Well Rwanda was still on the table for half of 2024!
A great deterrent.
Migrants were messaging their mates. Many went to N.I. then travelled south to the anger of Dublin’s residents.

Yes the numbers did go down!

Ooh … then what happened DAR? Oh yes, Labour came to power in the July of 2024 and scrapped the Rwanda Plan immediately.

And the numbers coming have gone UP exponentially since!

GrannyGravy13

Aveline

Good point about the Ukrainian refugees. Women and children. The men left bravely fighting on.

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Until very recently - last month - it was illegal for Ukrainian men aged 18-60 to leave, although many managed to.

Aveline

No it's not. Who are these thousands of people arriving on the rubber boats? Why come here?

In the name of sanity, please simply google the various sites where you will clearly see many many many asylum seekers or irregular migrants actually never get as far as France, many have claimed asylum in other countries, long before they even reach France!

winterwhite

The problem isn't going to go away. Large swathes of the world are war-torn, racked by famine, or ruined by climate disasters. If we lived in those countries we too would want to move somewhere safer. A bit more of a do-as-you-would-be-done-by attitude wouldn't come amiss.

Yes!

growstuff thanks for posting first hand experience. Your point about families sending yiung single men with the aim of settling in Europe is what I heard repeatedly, Egypt has taken so many refugees and is struggling as its tourist industry is affected by wars.
I’ve only visited Egypt once, expensive treat with Cairo, Alexandria, Luxor, nile cruise, pyramids, all significant museums and historical sights. I loved every minute and appreciated our highly educated, interesting guides. They were all prepared to discuss politics in their country and the region.
It’s clear ‘some posters’ who believe the U.k has taken more than its fair share of people fleeing war have little idea what is happening in other European, never mind Middle Eastern countries

Cossy

winterwhite

The problem isn't going to go away. Large swathes of the world are war-torn, racked by famine, or ruined by climate disasters. If we lived in those countries we too would want to move somewhere safer. A bit more of a do-as-you-would-be-done-by attitude wouldn't come amiss.

Yes!

Exactly so
A little more reading on this complex issue, less shouting and implying everyone who arrives on a boat is a potential sec offender (essential I acknowledge the law of averages says some men are dangerous to women )

Cossy

Aveline

No it's not. Who are these thousands of people arriving on the rubber boats? Why come here?

In the name of sanity, please simply google the various sites where you will clearly see many many many asylum seekers or irregular migrants actually never get as far as France, many have claimed asylum in other countries, long before they even reach France!

Exactly! Most asylum seekers/refugees never make it further than a neighbouring country. Turkey has about 3,500,000 refugees/asylum seekers and Egypt has at least a million. The thousands who turn up on UK shores are a very small percentage of the total.

Iam64

growstuff thanks for posting first hand experience. Your point about families sending yiung single men with the aim of settling in Europe is what I heard repeatedly, Egypt has taken so many refugees and is struggling as its tourist industry is affected by wars.
I’ve only visited Egypt once, expensive treat with Cairo, Alexandria, Luxor, nile cruise, pyramids, all significant museums and historical sights. I loved every minute and appreciated our highly educated, interesting guides. They were all prepared to discuss politics in their country and the region.
It’s clear ‘some posters’ who believe the U.k has taken more than its fair share of people fleeing war have little idea what is happening in other European, never mind Middle Eastern countries

Egypt has real problems ... and Trump (and some others) expected them to absorb two million from Gaza. It's no wonder they're digging their heels in and refusing.

Exactly growstuff. What our guides talked about was the need to protect its yiung democracy. The fear that their country simply could not absorb and care for yet more refugees. Top concern? The fear if they accepted Palestinian refugees, inevitably, Hamas, Muslim brotherhood etc would infiltrate. Would seek to destabilise Egypts young democracy.

In the name of sanity then who are these thousands arriving in rubber boats?!

Aveline

No it's not. Who are these thousands of people arriving on the rubber boats? Why come here?

Yes, why?

growstuff

Most Sudanese don't want anything to do with either of the warring factions. There is no "good" side to fight for. My son-in-law's cousin (a doctor) was shot on the way to way to work and has a life-changing injury. His father is also a doctor, who had the opportunity to work abroad but decided to stay in his own country. The whole family has now abandoned their home and moved to Egypt, but don't know how certain their future is. Two sisters are in Egypt and another is a nurse in the UK.

There is another son, who is currently finishing his medical training and is hoping to move to Canada. There is no future for any of them in Sudan. The son is lucky because he's a medic and is in demand in many countries. He shouldn't have much of a problem getting a visa, but if he weren't a medic, I think he could very well be a "boat person".

I've just been reading about the Spanish Civil War, not probably in living memory of most of us but we all probably remember Franco.
Harrowing and far worse than I ever realised in fact.
Some fled to France and were interned in terrible camps.
Of course, we should not do that but surely, until asylum seekers have been given leave to stay, should they be required to stay and not be free to wander around if we know nothing about them? If they are not granted leave to remain, why are they still here and have freedom of movement?

growstuff

Allira

growstuff

Aveline

Good point about the Ukrainian refugees. Women and children. The men left bravely fighting on.

Unlike Ukraine, there's a civil war in Sudan. There isn't an obvious right side to fight for.

So the answer is to leave and abandon the women and children to suffer their fate alone.

Apparently, the women want their sons to leave.

Families with women and children tend to go to Egypt (about 12 million have already fled). The single males are encouraged by their own families to go to Europe.

I’ve heard everything now! 🤣🤣🤣

What’s so funny Primrose

I welcome the use and feel a sense of relief if some former military sites are to be used to accommodate.

Having spent more than 2 decades in military barracks and accommodation myself, I think it’s a very appropriate move.
We had to spend time in barracks - 12 man rooms / 4 rooms to a block / 48 people to a building / multiple buildings.

Many bases (admittedly not all) are also located in remote/ sometimes isolated locations /away from towns, with poor rail and transport links and so on.

Are you on something Primrose53?

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growstuff- you certainly like mocking anyone who doesn't agree with you. Calling Primrose ignorant is unacceptable, telling me on a different thread I am racist when I mentioned meeting my Nigerian friend for coffee, making rude comments to any poster who mentions small boats, the stabbing in Uxbridge yesterday, hotels, army barracks etc... You are more than allowed to your opinion but so are others.

Just a bit. 🙄
Do we have to go through the problems in returning people unless the receiving country agree?

do we have to go through al again the fact that not only is this a problem allover Europe, but it is a far greater problem number wise in France than the UK.

do we have to go all through again that a large % of irregular immigrants are actually granted asylum because of the situations that they have left

do we have to go through all over again that the last government slowed down processing of irregular migrants to such an extent were was amigo back log

do we have to go through again that Rwanda would never have worked, firstly because they only had a deal for 50.000, and in addition their human rights record was shown to be unacceptable by the UN .

yes, we have to try and stop arrivals as well as we can, but despite Reforms claims, there is no easy way. "send them back" they call,

but

how would we feel if we had just had huge numbers of migrants leave us, and France dumped them back to us on the shores of Kent? That would go down a treat, wouldnt it? Or aircraft arriving with migrants at our airports to dump them here without our permission.

since that is what Reform is proposing to inflict on other countries

Sigh.

Bukkie

Casdon- I am sorry you misunderstood my post. Goodness me nobody regardless of gender, age, race, religion deserves to have a crime committed against them.

What a passive aggressive, blame shifting apology. Surely it's possible to apologise for not writing clearly.

This is turning into a nasty thread. There are many much more pleasant ones so I am slinging my hook.
🪝

Bukkie

growstuff- you certainly like mocking anyone who doesn't agree with you. Calling Primrose ignorant is unacceptable, telling me on a different thread I am racist when I mentioned meeting my Nigerian friend for coffee, making rude comments to any poster who mentions small boats, the stabbing in Uxbridge yesterday, hotels, army barracks etc... You are more than allowed to your opinion but so are others.

Growstuff has always been as described, not worth engaging with.

growstuff

Most Sudanese don't want anything to do with either of the warring factions. There is no "good" side to fight for. My son-in-law's cousin (a doctor) was shot on the way to way to work and has a life-changing injury. His father is also a doctor, who had the opportunity to work abroad but decided to stay in his own country. The whole family has now abandoned their home and moved to Egypt, but don't know how certain their future is. Two sisters are in Egypt and another is a nurse in the UK.

There is another son, who is currently finishing his medical training and is hoping to move to Canada. There is no future for any of them in Sudan. The son is lucky because he's a medic and is in demand in many countries. He shouldn't have much of a problem getting a visa, but if he weren't a medic, I think he could very well be a "boat person".

When I posted a personal experience of meeting asylum seekers and where they are now you dismissed my reply as anecdotal…