Moving immigrants to army camps?

19:24Cossy

winterwhite

The problem isn't going to go away. Large swathes of the world are war-torn, racked by famine, or ruined by climate disasters. If we lived in those countries we too would want to move somewhere safer. A bit more of a do-as-you-would-be-done-by attitude wouldn't come amiss.

Yes!

I can't even begin to imagine living and bringing up my kids in a war torn country and i suspect not very many of us can...

growstuff

Allira

growstuff

Aveline

Good point about the Ukrainian refugees. Women and children. The men left bravely fighting on.

Unlike Ukraine, there's a civil war in Sudan. There isn't an obvious right side to fight for.

So the answer is to leave and abandon the women and children to suffer their fate alone.

Apparently, the women want their sons to leave.

Families with women and children tend to go to Egypt (about 12 million have already fled). The single males are encouraged by their own families to go to Europe.

And why think this is their only son. The tradition in this country, when we were actually stealing land from indigenous people around the world while building our "empire", or in Ireland to escape from the famine the British inposed on them, was usually to send the second son. The eldest stayed to help the family. There is no reason to believe this isn't the case for those fleeing today's man made catastrophes.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

Most Sudanese don't want anything to do with either of the warring factions. There is no "good" side to fight for. My son-in-law's cousin (a doctor) was shot on the way to way to work and has a life-changing injury. His father is also a doctor, who had the opportunity to work abroad but decided to stay in his own country. The whole family has now abandoned their home and moved to Egypt, but don't know how certain their future is. Two sisters are in Egypt and another is a nurse in the UK.

There is another son, who is currently finishing his medical training and is hoping to move to Canada. There is no future for any of them in Sudan. The son is lucky because he's a medic and is in demand in many countries. He shouldn't have much of a problem getting a visa, but if he weren't a medic, I think he could very well be a "boat person".

When I posted a personal experience of meeting asylum seekers and where they are now you dismissed my reply as anecdotal…

grannygravy I noticed that too but decided to save my breath!

My second cousin twice removed has a half sister whose uncle lives in Sudan. 😂😂. Howzat?

Bukkie. You are spot on. 😉

Bukkie 👍

Primrose53

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

Most Sudanese don't want anything to do with either of the warring factions. There is no "good" side to fight for. My son-in-law's cousin (a doctor) was shot on the way to way to work and has a life-changing injury. His father is also a doctor, who had the opportunity to work abroad but decided to stay in his own country. The whole family has now abandoned their home and moved to Egypt, but don't know how certain their future is. Two sisters are in Egypt and another is a nurse in the UK.

There is another son, who is currently finishing his medical training and is hoping to move to Canada. There is no future for any of them in Sudan. The son is lucky because he's a medic and is in demand in many countries. He shouldn't have much of a problem getting a visa, but if he weren't a medic, I think he could very well be a "boat person".

When I posted a personal experience of meeting asylum seekers and where they are now you dismissed my reply as anecdotal…

grannygravy I noticed that too but decided to save my breath!

My second cousin twice removed has a half sister whose uncle lives in Sudan. 😂😂. Howzat?

Bukkie. You are spot on. 😉

Difference is you'd be lying.

I hope you are not accusing me of lying growstuff because if you are I will report your post without any hesitation.

I do not lie 🤬

The facts of the war in Sudan being between 2 warring factions, no "right" way ahead, or either of those sides having proper democratic authority, are well known and have been for some time - its indisputable, recognised at UN level..

Individual "testimonies' do add flavour, but the facts are sadly, all too indisputable.

And I think my report of my meeting the young refugee from the Sudan whose parents were slashed to death and was sought as a child solider was is indeed direct evidence of the suffering and the reasons for his turning up here

Wyllow3

The facts of the war in Sudan being between 2 warring factions, no "right" way ahead, or either of those sides having proper democratic authority, are well known and have been for some time - its indisputable, recognised at UN level..

Individual "testimonies' do add flavour, but the facts are sadly, all too indisputable.

*And I think my report of my meeting the young refugee from the Sudan whose parents were slashed to death and was sought as a child solider was is indeed direct evidence of the suffering and the reasons for his turning up here*

I started a thread on Sudan, highlighting the fighting and the famine.

It received very little traffic 🤷‍♀️

GrannyGravy13

I hope you are not accusing me of lying growstuff because if you are I will report your post without any hesitation.

I do not lie 🤬

It’s what growstuff does.

Join the club😬

Wyllow3

Just a bit. 🙄
Do we have to go through the problems in returning people unless the receiving country agree?

do we have to go through al again the fact that not only is this a problem allover Europe, but it is a far greater problem number wise in France than the UK.

do we have to go all through again that a large % of irregular immigrants are actually granted asylum because of the situations that they have left

do we have to go through all over again that the last government slowed down processing of irregular migrants to such an extent were was amigo back log

do we have to go through again that Rwanda would never have worked, firstly because they only had a deal for 50.000, and in addition their human rights record was shown to be unacceptable by the UN .

yes, we have to try and stop arrivals as well as we can, but despite Reforms claims, there is no easy way. "send them back" they call,

but

how would we feel if we had just had huge numbers of migrants leave us, and France dumped them back to us on the shores of Kent? That would go down a treat, wouldnt it? Or aircraft arriving with migrants at our airports to dump them here without our permission.

since that is what Reform is proposing to inflict on other countries

Sigh.

It’s nonstop Groundhog Day when it comes to small boats and asylum seekers.

I CBA to post on these threads any more; I admire those who persist in trying to introduce some truth and balance but it’s such a waste of time.

Some of you are so rude, to Posters sharing details of people they have met. Unnecessarily harsh.
What else are you harsh about? How to treat asylum seekers?

Aveline

In the name of sanity then who are these thousands arriving in rubber boats?!

They are “small fry” (though not to us, I do understand)

They make up approx 1% of our overall population.

Many women and children simply couldn’t make some of the journeys.

Asylum seekers don’t just pop up in France, they have, on the whole, arduous journeys to get this far.

GrannyGravy13

I hope you are not accusing me of lying growstuff because if you are I will report your post without any hesitation.

I do not lie 🤬

No she’s not accusing you of lying.

She’s responding to Primrose’s sarky comment about her mythical relation.

Was your Sudan Thread in News and Politics GG?
Had a quick trawl just now, but couldn't find it.
Sadly it would be so relevant now, as what couldn't get any worse, just did.

Maremia

Was your Sudan Thread in News and Politics GG?
Had a quick trawl just now, but couldn't find it.
Sadly it would be so relevant now, as what couldn't get any worse, just did.

Yes it was.

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

Was your Sudan Thread in News and Politics GG?
Had a quick trawl just now, but couldn't find it.
Sadly it would be so relevant now, as what couldn't get any worse, just did.

Yes it was.

You could try reviving it, GG13 but I can't see it getting much traction. Posters seem to be obsessed with small boats and evil asylum seekers at the moment. It's getting very boring

GrannyGravy13

I hope you are not accusing me of lying growstuff because if you are I will report your post without any hesitation.

I do not lie 🤬

Worry not GrannyGravy13, she means me! 😝

I was making a joke but we are expected to believe her anecdotes but others are disbelieved. Mine could be as true as hers for all she knows.

Imo FWIW this thread has defended into the inevitable... each thread has its day?

Maremia

Some of you are so rude, to Posters sharing details of people they have met. Unnecessarily harsh.
What else are you harsh about? How to treat asylum seekers?

I agree that it is unfair and quite rude to tell others that posting anecdotes is wrong (even accusing them of being fairy tales!) when that poster does use a lot of anecdotes and personal experiences to make a point herself.

How can anyone criticise others for what they themselves do constantly?
Why?

Wyllow3

Imo FWIW this thread has defended into the inevitable... each thread has its day?

And why would that be?

Accusing posters of telling lies is indefensible.

Maremia

Was your Sudan Thread in News and Politics GG?
Had a quick trawl just now, but couldn't find it.
Sadly it would be so relevant now, as what couldn't get any worse, just did.

It must be there, I'll have a look.

Can't remember if I posted, because I've been reading abougt the horrors of the Spanish Civil War, and wondering just what is the matter with humanity.

Allira

Wyllow3

Imo FWIW this thread has defended into the inevitable... each thread has its day?

And why would that be?

Accusing posters of telling lies is indefensible.

I agree, but it's just going round in circles and is so far away from the topic.

Well, to get it back on track, we had refugees housed in a local army camp. No problems at all apart from some of the young teenage boys who were rather arrogant and could feel like a threat to local women.
It was good to see the girls happy at school (not allowed in their homeland) and local people were glad to help with essentials and advice.

In the news this week we have had the murders of three British citizens by asylum seekers, I don't think it is obsessing to contemplate those individuals would still be here, if the migrants seeking sanctuary hadn't wiped them out for whatever reason. The knock on effect for those left behind, children, spouses, parents etc will be devastating. That's quite aside from the random assaults women have had to put up with, such as this one from asylum seeker housed in the Sheraton Hotel, Horley, nr. Gatwick, Whilst cycling to a car wash job (is that even allowed? never mind side issue)Qais Al-Aswad took it upon himself to slap two women's backsides as he rode past, culminating in a full on assault of another, whilst not on the bike, whereby he grabbed her by the crotch. Three suspended six month prison sentences, the women who attended the court hearing were incredulous to learn only a community service. Oh well minor transgression in the great scheme of things, just suck it up women of Surrey if you happen to be on his route up to car wash job in London, or maybe just don't loiter in shop windows, because allegedly there will be men unfamiliar with UK laws, as this guy was at the time of the assaults yeah right lets just dwell on that for a few moments, Trump bragging aside just where in the world is it permissible to touch strangers in an intimate area of their body?

Tuinoma

19:24Cossy

winterwhite

The problem isn't going to go away. Large swathes of the world are war-torn, racked by famine, or ruined by climate disasters. If we lived in those countries we too would want to move somewhere safer. A bit more of a do-as-you-would-be-done-by attitude wouldn't come amiss.

Yes!

I can't even begin to imagine living and bringing up my kids in a war torn country and i suspect not very many of us can...

That I can completely understand, and I would move heaven and earth to help my family, as would most. However - what is life going to be like here if this situation continues? If we have hundreds of people arriving each week, on these tiny islands, the social and statistical problems are frightening to contemplate. To say this is a small percentage of the population is not quite the picture - it is a percentage of people that will not be working, and need food, shelter, medical care, without any benefit to the nation. A better solution has to be found - I wish I knew what. A Greek island had its population doubled at a stroke last year. This is, as you say, a global problem.