The BBC. Bias is one thing. Lies and manipulation of facts entirely different.

If it was ok for The Guardian to publish their investigative journalists pieces which uncovered the phone hacking scandal, then it should ok for other newspapers/media outlets to report on any wrongdoings they have information on…

Are people saying newspapers shouldn't print this because that sounds completely authoritarian to me.

Mamie

GrannyGravy13

I think The Telegraph is the messenger in this instance, and haven’t we always been told to ^not shoot the messenger^

Do you honestly believe that The Telegraph has been a disinterested and honourable messenger in this instance?

They are printing what the whistle blower has given them.

Are they honourable? As honourable as any newspaper or media outlet in the 21st century. They are probably hoping to boost their readership.

The bottom line is that the BBC has been found less than truthful in its reporting and broadcasting, this should be in the public domain.

I hope that the BBC can get its house in order, and continue to be the state broadcaster.

GrannyGravy13

I think The Telegraph is the messenger in this instance, and haven’t we always been told to ^not shoot the messenger^

Do you honestly believe that The Telegraph has been a disinterested and honourable messenger in this instance?

I think The Telegraph is the messenger in this instance, and haven’t we always been told to not shoot the messenger

Surely Michael Prescott is the key player in this story? He wrote the 19 page report. He is a government advisor. He has also raised issues surrounding Israel and trans issues.
My understanding is that this information was then leaked to the Telegraph as it had clearly been stuffed under the carpet so that was the only way to get the report out into the public domain. It wasn’t forensic Telegraph work.

Oreo

The Telegraph seems to be the ooh look a squirrel on this thread.A newspaper isn’t comparable to the BBC.It isn’t the fault of the right wing it’s the fault of people working for the BBC in senior positions.

The Telegraph is a key player in this incident. Perhaps you have forgotten that it was they who ran the initial story. Of course its own integrity needs scrutiny. Running a shock horror story about another media company’s supposed lack of integrity just begs for investigation of its own relationship with the truth.

This is about more than Trump ronib

The truth though is hard to find. So exactly who did edit the film? Was it a BBC staff member or a member of October Productions? What sanctions were given to that person? Is that person still employed by the BBC or October Productions? What was the motivation for splicing the video tape? Hard evidence? Oreo
Then of course we need to ask how long Shah knew about this false edit. Best stay on point?

The Telegraph seems to be the ooh look a squirrel on this thread.A newspaper isn’t comparable to the BBC.It isn’t the fault of the right wing it’s the fault of people working for the BBC in senior positions.

If you do this, 'it is all the right wings fault' then the BBC will go. This will in years to come be seen as the beginning of the end.
There appear to be a few people in the BBC who aren't doing the conspiracy theory thing so possibly there is hope.

MaizieD

Maremia

How many apologies has The Telegra
ph had to make this year?
Compare that with the number by the BBC.
And then take into account enormous output from the BBC, compared with the dwindling number of readers of The Telegraph.

According to DeSmog, 10th November, The BBC has made 33 corrections to its coverage overall this year, compared with 114 corrections from The Telegraph.

”Looking to The Daily Telegraph as an arbiter of journalistic accuracy and ethics is like calling on the fox to give you advice on securing the hen house,” said Mic Wright, author of Breaking: How the Media Works, When it Doesn’t and Why it Matters.

“The paper’s attacks on the BBC are not remotely done in good faith and are the result of the publisher’s ideological and commercial interests. There is no world in which The Telegraph’s output would survive the level of scrutiny applied to the BBC’s journalism.

www.desmog.com/2025/11/10/the-telegraph-record-climate-falsehoods-bbc/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

It’s not clear from the article whether these are climate based ‘corrections’ or general untruths or misrepresentations.

I assume that our Telegraph readers are, like GB News watchers, far more tolerant of their favoured media’s errors than the are of the BBC?

Good post.

The owners have been a very undesirable lot. Black was imprisoned and the Barclay Brothers had both Telegraph and spectator seized because they owed £1bn to their creditors,

The content today bears no relationship to that of years gone by and it is doubtful that it would pass the smell test of good journalism.

Foreign owners including Abu Dhabi snd USA company are now. In the final negotiation stage for ownership.

Maremia

We own the BBC and so qe have control.
This conversation would never happen, about The Telegraph, over which we have no control.
Who does own The Telegraph?
British interests?
Foreign interests?

If you think the Court of Public Opinion holds no strength then why do people try to influence the outcome?

Newspapers have long considered themselves the "Forth Pillar of Democracy". Surely they can't make that claim and then ignore the electorate? Not if the part of the electorate that tears into the BBC are even-handed. Wouldn't that be a Christmas miracle!

Galaxy

Presumably the universal credit thing is also because we are all human then. It isn't possible to debate any concerns if that is the response. It will certainly be my response from now on when anyone complains about misinformation.

But if they reprehend the BBC for misinformation then surely it is equally a "crime" when others do it Galaxy. What's good for the goose, etc. Equally, if you were not one of the "disgusted of Granset" then you may well be being even-handed.

The Telegraph was owned by the Barclay brothers (one of which is now dead, I think). Ownership currently is in the process of being transferred to US company

Maremia

How many apologies has The Telegra
ph had to make this year?
Compare that with the number by the BBC.
And then take into account enormous output from the BBC, compared with the dwindling number of readers of The Telegraph.

According to DeSmog, 10th November, The BBC has made 33 corrections to its coverage overall this year, compared with 114 corrections from The Telegraph.

”Looking to The Daily Telegraph as an arbiter of journalistic accuracy and ethics is like calling on the fox to give you advice on securing the hen house,” said Mic Wright, author of Breaking: How the Media Works, When it Doesn’t and Why it Matters.

“The paper’s attacks on the BBC are not remotely done in good faith and are the result of the publisher’s ideological and commercial interests. There is no world in which The Telegraph’s output would survive the level of scrutiny applied to the BBC’s journalism.

www.desmog.com/2025/11/10/the-telegraph-record-climate-falsehoods-bbc/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

It’s not clear from the article whether these are climate based ‘corrections’ or general untruths or misrepresentations.

I assume that our Telegraph readers are, like GB News watchers, far more tolerant of their favoured media’s errors than the are of the BBC?

We own the BBC and so qe have control.
This conversation would never happen, about The Telegraph, over which we have no control.
Who does own The Telegraph?
British interests?
Foreign interests?

The perspective is in favour of the BBC

How many apologies has The Telegra
ph had to make this year?
Compare that with the number by the BBC.
And then take into account enormous output from the BBC, compared with the dwindling number of readers of The Telegraph.

Any update yet on how many of the Epstein Files have been released?

Presumably the universal credit thing is also because we are all human then. It isn't possible to debate any concerns if that is the response. It will certainly be my response from now on when anyone complains about misinformation.

Our downfall, all our downfalls, is that we are human; aĺl of us! I don't think that's going to change.

I see we are getting disinformation about Universal Credit once again. Strange (or rather not strange) that none of the "disgusted of Gransnet" crowd haven't launched an attack on these sources.

Yes, there’s a load of incidents Allira going back a few years.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLdy8-2PgP8

This gives you an idea (if you can bare to click) on how far to the right the attacks are coming from. Now I wonder why they would want to destroy a company that still trys to present both sides? Even if it does occasionally get things wrong.

I think Trump may have other things on his plate than the BBC. MAGA is after release of the Epstein Files. Lies about sexual abuse has wound them up in the past. Just think what finding truths might do!

petra

Allsorts

Do not judge by one incident..

One incident.
There’s the post I put up in reference to the bbc lying about the Queen.
Jimmy Saville. They knew about the vile creature’s behaviour for years.
Gary Linekers tweet.
Not cutting the live feed at Glastonbury.
Hew Edwards. Known about for years within the BBC.
And let’s not forget their pieste du resistance: Martin Bashir.

There is a constant list of apologies from the BBC.

I suppose they do eventually apologise so that must be a positive.

More heads need to roll. There are most probably a lot more who need to be weeded out.

The new cohort needs show it has no political bias if it is to receive public funding.