Palestine for the Palestinian peoples, Israel for the Israeli peoples

Have any of you seen any footage of Gaxa before Oct 7th? Please do look. Also, 20% of the population of Israel are Muslims, Palestinians. I think they're more than capable of living next to Palestine in peace. They've proved they can.

Israel has mosques. Why? Went would they have mosques if they can't live in peace with Muslims?

Check out what Palestinian children are taught in school, from primary upwards. The charter. Just read it.

I'm amazed that supposedly intelligent people have next to no knowledge about Israel and Palestine.

And yes, I do know. I worked for a charity that used to take ill Palestinians into Israel for treatment.

The Old Testament and the New Testament documents contain some details of historical accuracy, but they are not a legal land registry.

Living in peace? Are the Palestinisns being allowed to co-exist with the Settlers in the West Bank just now?
Arson attack reported in The Guardian as well as other horrors already discussed on these pages.
This is the truth and the reality of today.

AGAA4

Did she? Ok missed that.

So is it ok that I posted that? Apology accepted……..

No apology Rosie51 what you said was unfair. Many people believe in heaven if they are Christians but may not believe the outlandish bible stories.

AGAA4

No apology Rosie51 what you said was unfair. Many people believe in heaven if they are Christians but may not believe the outlandish bible stories.

Exactly what was unfair about it? I said CariadAgain has stated her belief that she's destined for Heaven which she has.
Are you saying that the bible stories documenting Jews living in that area are outlandish?

No! But many of those bible stories are outlandish. Do you believe all of them Rosie51?

Am afraid I don’t subscribe to any religion or believe in any God that takes sides in a war, or dictates the right of one people over another to live on a piece of land. If there is a God I would hope he/she/whatever isn’t a warmonger or an estate agent.

Gaza’s destruction compares only to the most severely impacted cities in Ukraine,” Corey Scher, from Oregon’s “Conflict Ecology Lab, . “Because impacts from conflicts such as the Syrian Civil War still have not been comprehensively assessed, we have to go back to the Second World War. The extent of damage is greater than… in any single German city during that conflict and, on a percentage basis, there is more damage across Gaza than there was as a result of the US firebombing of Dresden.”

Forensic Architecture (FA), the research agency based at Goldsmiths, University of London, has mapped the Gaza war in a project called “A cartography of genocide”, incorporating a variety of sources, including video, photographs, written testimony, and satellite and remote-sensing imagery. (South Africa commissioned a report based on the mapping for its submission in the genocide case against Israel at the International Court of Justice.)
“Rafah doesn’t exist. East Khan Younis doesn’t exist. East Gaza [City] doesn’t exist,” says Eyal Weizman, FA’s director, when I ask what its research suggests is left of the Strip’s cities. “Then you go beyond the ‘yellow line’, where the [IDF’s] extended buffer zone [is], and you have a patchwork of buildings and rubble.” After the ceasefire came into force on 10th October, Palestinians returning to homes across Gaza were met with a similar sight: buildings burned out, damaged or levelled to the ground.

Throughout the war, the Israeli government has argued that the IDF only targets civilian infrastructure being used by Hamas, or because it has a military justification for doing so. But Israeli leaders were threatening widespread destruction and displacement of the local population from the start.
On the evening of 7th October 2023, in his first address to the nation after Hamas’s massacre in southern Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu vowed not only to “forcefully avenge this dark day”, but to raze the Strip. “All of the places which Hamas is deployed, hiding and operating in, that wicked city,” he said of Gaza, “we will turn them into rubble. I say to the residents of Gaza, ‘Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere.’” On 12th October, Israel’s Air Force posted on X that it had “dropped about 6,000 bombs against Hamas targets”, along with photos of razed buildings.
Similar statements were made by Israeli politicians, public figures and the wider public. “Flatten everything, just like Auschwitz is today,” the head of a council in northern Israel said in a radio interview in December 2023. According to FakeReporter, an Israeli monitoring group, on X from 7th October to mid-November 2023 there were around 18,000 mentions in Hebrew of appeals to flatten, erase or destroy Gaza (and from then to mid-October this year there were a further 68,000 mentions). There have been some calls, too, to lay waste to Gaza’s cities. One of Jerusalem’s deputy mayors, Aryeh King, did so repeatedly. “It’s been 18 days since the pogrom… that the Nazis carried out in the Gaza envelope,” he posted on Facebook on 24th October. “Benjamin Netanyahu Gaza, Khan Younis, Rafah and Beit Lahiya are still standing. Shame on you!”

Prospect
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That is harrowing WWM2. But not surprising. Sadly.

AGAA4

No! But many of those bible stories are outlandish. Do you believe all of them Rosie51?

Of course not! But the outlandish stories haven't been quoted anywhere. You jumped on me without knowing what I said CariadAgain believes has actually been posted by her ie her surety of her place in heaven. If I'd done the same to somebody I'd simply have said "oops sorry, I was unaware she'd posted that".

Maremia

The Old Testament and the New Testament documents contain some details of historical accuracy, but they are not a legal land registry.

That's the best way I've seen of putting it yet.

AGAA4

No apology Rosie51 what you said was unfair. Many people believe in heaven if they are Christians but may not believe the outlandish bible stories.

Quite! I wouldnt have been very happy either at someone telling me I'd apologised - when I hadnt at all.

You are spot on re Heaven and many faiths besides Christianity believe in it and a LOT of evidence has been coming out since the 1970's that it exists (that's when all the NDE accounts started coming out - ie Near Death Experiences) - though I had one myself after that time and so did my father. One doesn't believe in something that's a fact - it just is - ie a fact.

CariadAgain

Maremia

The Old Testament and the New Testament documents contain some details of historical accuracy, but they are not a legal land registry.

That's the best way I've seen of putting it yet.

I wonder where the world's legal land registry is kept? Can any member of the public view it?

CariadAgain

Errrm...what has a book called the Old Testament to do with anything and wondering when some people started designating it a history book?

It's a book - like any other book and not a factual record of events - though I know some people quote it as if it is. That doesn't make it so though....right from the start of "The world was created in 7 days (well 6 and the 7th was a day of rest)".....errr...I think not....

The Bible does document the history of the Jewish people.

Just because some things were explained in a simple way to early peoples eg the story of creation as you describe it, does not mean that much of the actual history is not true. Some is legend, some tales told with a religious bias too.

Historians and archaeologists have verified much of what is documented. Other stories are open to different interpretations.

What no-one has established beyond dispute is that Heaven exists so you might be disappointed one day, CariadAgain.
Or possibly not, as we may never realise whether it is true or not.

Sorry? The Creation?

Whitewavemark2

Sorry? The Creation?

Not sure what you mean.

I just said that the story of the Creation was a tale told to early peoples and is obviously not true.
That does not mean other parts of the Bible (Old Testament) as history is not true.

I do know there are some who believe the Creation story literally, though.
Not you, surely, Whitewave?

CariadAgain if you choose to believe that you have an assured place in Heaven that may well be a great comfort to you, but it isn’t a fact that Heaven exists it’s a personal belief.
A great many people hold that belief but there’s no Earthly evidence, how could there be? It’s an unknown for us all.

CariadAgain

Maremia

The Old Testament and the New Testament documents contain some details of historical accuracy, but they are not a legal land registry.

That's the best way I've seen of putting it yet.

Nor is there a Heaven Registry either.

Allira

Whitewavemark2

Sorry? The Creation?

Not sure what you mean.

I just said that the story of the Creation was a tale told to early peoples and is obviously not true.
That does not mean other parts of the Bible (Old Testament) as history is not true.

I do know there are some who believe the Creation story literally, though.
Not you, surely, Whitewave?

No of course not, but I did wonder😄😄

There are many Christian’s in the USA who do though, I believe that alongside Darwinism creationism is taught, - one does wonder at times!

Well, some Bible stories are open to interpretation.

Chariots of Fire - spaceships? 🤔

As far as I am concerned it is simply a religious text used by both Jews, Christian’s and Muslims.

It means nothing to me other than it has influenced our culture for a couple of thousand years.

If I want to study history or archeology I turn to academic literature.

I will always respect others beliefs as long as they aren't used to harm others.
Brought up in a family of scientists I believe very little in the bible but I do know Jews were in Palestine 2000 years ago. Some claim that God has given them the whole of Palestine so they are justified in killing those who are living there.
This is where beliefs are used to get what they want by harming others. I can't condone religion being used in this way.

Whitewavemark2

As far as I am concerned it is simply a religious text used by both Jews, Christian’s and Muslims.

It means nothing to me other than it has influenced our culture for a couple of thousand years.

If I want to study history or archeology I turn to academic literature.

Well, of course.
But the Bible has been studied extensively by historians and archaeologists as well as theologians and is more than just a religious text.

It is not all fairy tales as some might assert.

No it is a religious text, but some of the stories are based on past geological/political events. Much like our tales of old like King Arthur etc.