Concerned Citizens Urge Migrants to Jump from Hotel Windows

Lathyrus3

I read it on somebody’s social media post is pretty much the same as saying it must be true because I read it in Gransnet.😬

Fiction/fact? Concern/stirring? Passing on what agrees/ dismissing what doesn’t.

It’s so easy nowadays isn’t it?

No, I'm not claiming for one minute that I'm 100% sure it happened. I do wish people would read properly.

Ashlea Simon is a co-leader of Britain First. Why would she lie about it? She's been very open about co-ordinating the protests outside that hotel over the last few months. She was a bit more coy about admitting that she organised the fireworks/rockets, but she was definitely boasting about them and keen to show the video, so her followers could see. Why would she do that, if it didn't happen and it was nothing to do with her?

HopenotHate isn't a random social media page. The event had been advertised beforehand and somebody from HopenotHate was there and reported what happened.

So, no, definitely no, this isn't the same as reading something on GN where everybody uses a false name.

I have just Googled cannot see it on any newspaper or news channel.

Hope not Hate and a Facebook account…

I mean you can’t trust the BBC so why would you take as gospel truth what somebody posts on their own social media account?🙄

I read it on somebody’s social media post is pretty much the same as saying it must be true because I read it in Gransnet.😬

Fiction/fact? Concern/stirring? Passing on what agrees/ dismissing what doesn’t.

It’s so easy nowadays isn’t it?

nanna8

I looked and it seemed to be around 3 months ago. Not November 5 th. Still, you can’t argue with a good stir up story, can you ?

No, it was definitely at Halloween - 31 October. You've found a different incident.

I looked and it seemed to be around 3 months ago. Not November 5 th. Still, you can’t argue with a good stir up story, can you ?

MaizieD

growstuff

Allira

I'll await verification.

Verification from whom?

eazybee has posted twice that it was in the Telegraph. Is that verification?

(though my search didn’t come up with the Telegraph story)

My search didn't come up with verification from any newspaper source. I don't pay for the Telegraph, so I can't see behind its paywall.

As far as I can tell, there are only two sources: HopenotHate and Ashlea Simon's X account.

I don't trust HnH 100%. I think they do some good investigative journalism, but they definitely have a bias and sometimes they exaggerate.

Ashlea Simon is the co-leader of Britain First, which I expect everybody knows is a far-right, antisemitic, Islamophobic organisation. They most certainly are biased, but in this case Ashlea Simon was boasting about it on her own post. Why would she do that if it wasn't true?

She's based in Salford and Greater Manchester is her target area. The Cresta Hotel in Altrincham has been a particular target for months, with flags and angry chants. It wouldn't surprise me if the local press have given up reporting it and the police won't do anything, unless there is actual injury - in this case, there wasn't.

They were firing rockets at cut outs of Keir Starmer and Sadiq Kahn. There were small fires, but they were quickly extinguished. They were also firing rockets at the hotel itself. Most of them exploded mid air, but one landed on the roof. Fortunately, it didn't explode, but it could have caused a fire on the roof. The protesters were apparently taunting the residents. In the end, no lasting damage was done, which was probably why the police took no further action and it wasn't reported.

growstuff

Allira

I'll await verification.

Verification from whom?

eazybee has posted twice that it was in the Telegraph. Is that verification?

(though my search didn’t come up with the Telegraph story)

Turn a blind eye, if that's what you want to do. Sadly, that's what too many people choose to do. There's nothing I can do about it.

growstuff

Allira

growstuff

Allira

Presumably the police would have been involved so it's surprising that there are not reports in the media as there would have been arrests, surely.

It depends whether anybody reported it. The crowd wouldn't have reported it for obvious reasons and the immigrants might not have known how to. I don't think the media reports every incident to the press (in fact, I know they don't).

🤔

Why the confused emoji?

It's not confused
It's just 'hmmm' or so I thought, ie not sure.
I'll await verification.

I'll await verification.

If the police weren't involved they should have been.
It's a criminal offence.

Allira

growstuff

Allira

Presumably the police would have been involved so it's surprising that there are not reports in the media as there would have been arrests, surely.

It depends whether anybody reported it. The crowd wouldn't have reported it for obvious reasons and the immigrants might not have known how to. I don't think the media reports every incident to the press (in fact, I know they don't).

🤔

Why the confused emoji?

Allira

I'll await verification.

Verification from whom?

growstuff

Allira

Presumably the police would have been involved so it's surprising that there are not reports in the media as there would have been arrests, surely.

It depends whether anybody reported it. The crowd wouldn't have reported it for obvious reasons and the immigrants might not have known how to. I don't think the media reports every incident to the press (in fact, I know they don't).

🤔

Allira

Babs03

I think the reason this is not widely reported speaks to a media that is skewed towards only reporting bad press about migrants and not those who seek to persecute them. Which is worrying.

It could, of course, be fake news which is equally worrying as it can stir up even more trouble.

The only item I can find re Hallowe'en and the Cresta Court Hotel in Altrincham is an advertisement for Hallowe'en event to be held there, with chicken in the basket at £22 per person.
But that was in 2024!

If it's fake news, why would Ashlea Simon refer to it on her own X account?

I'll await verification.

Allira

Presumably the police would have been involved so it's surprising that there are not reports in the media as there would have been arrests, surely.

It depends whether anybody reported it. The crowd wouldn't have reported it for obvious reasons and the immigrants might not have known how to. I don't think the media reports every incident to the press (in fact, I know they don't).

Babs03

I think the reason this is not widely reported speaks to a media that is skewed towards only reporting bad press about migrants and not those who seek to persecute them. Which is worrying.

It could, of course, be fake news which is equally worrying as it can stir up even more trouble.

The only item I can find re Hallowe'en and the Cresta Court Hotel in Altrincham is an advertisement for Hallowe'en event to be held there, with chicken in the basket at £22 per person.
But that was in 2024!

And predictable.

I think the reason this is not widely reported speaks to a media that is skewed towards only reporting bad press about migrants and not those who seek to persecute them. Which is worrying.

Presumably the police would have been involved so it's surprising that there are not reports in the media as there would have been arrests, surely.

eazybee

I am not hijacking this thread; I am relating the repeated use of 'far right' to the people throwing fireworks, followed later by the term 'fascist' being applied. As one of the perpetrators arrested was a 14 year old, rather a dangerous term to use, don't you think?
The account I read referred to people in Liverpool and Birmingham, and made no mention of anyone in Altrincham being encouraged to jump out of windows.

What term would you use for Britain First?

I think you've found details of a different incident. The one I found on social media is definitely Altrincham, which is a hub for Britain First activity.

Allira

I always look for more than one source.

So do I. I couldn't find a source in any traditional media, so I looked on social media. It's been mentioned a couple of times by Ashlea Simon (as I mentioned) and indirectly by another right-wing poster. They were both boasting about it, although there aren't many details, which isn't surprising as they certainly know that people can be prosecuted for making threats online.

nanna8

I’m sick of hearing about the far right when the far left are just as bad and worse with their support of Hamas and violent marches. They are both foul.

I think we should hear about both surely, I mean it isn’t a question of ‘either/or’, I presume most of us have the mental capacity to hear more than one side of anything.
And I think we hear an awful lot about pro Palestinian protests, it is hardly swept under the carpet.

I’m sick of hearing about the far right when the far left are just as bad and worse with their support of Hamas and violent marches. They are both foul.