The Women's Institute is to revert to being an Institute for Women

NanKate

*Sarnia*I too am a member of the WI. I totally agree that the ‘mealy`’ mouthed apology from NFWI was totally pathetic. I have had a number of emails from people in my WI thanking me for speaking up about my concern of the WI accepting biological men in our Institute without a vote from members.

They keep insisting that transwomen are women when
they are patently not. They say they only received 20 letters of complaint but they avoid saying how many emails they got on the subject, at least 6 from me !

The WI top brass seem to have gone down the same silly route as the National Trust.

Absolutely Oreo 🤪

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Have you missed the news that sex is now legally defined as the sex you are at birth? A transwoman is male (so not allowed to join the WI).

And I very much doubt that anyone has ‘forgotten’ about transmen. It’s just that as women we are more concerned about men invading our spaces. If men are interested in banning transmen from their spaces they can deal with that themselves.

Nanananabatman

So your ex is female, regardless of bits chopped off, drugs, a hairy face and a piece of paper.

The trans who have caused the problems for women, by cheating in sports, intimidating, threatening, demanding that females give up their rights are male.

Would you claim that your female ex has acquired all the unacceptable attributes of those male trans?

The other point is transmen retain their female socialisation for the most part and therefore don't tend to make aggressive inroads into traditionally female areas. It's always so obvious when TRAs come onto threads and mention transmen, when the usual very vocal chant is transwomen are women. It's almost like transmen are a very useful tool for rebuttal purposes only 🤷 🙄🙄

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How you identify has absolutely nothing to do with your sex. It has been a terribly cruel thing to do to pretend to people that that is the case.

There has also been no change in the law, this is the law that always existed, the supreme court clarified the situation.
Transmen ( women) were not excluded from female spaces ( for example due to safety reasons they were often housed in the female prison estate).

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Nanananabatman

My other concern is that I have a friend who was born a woman who dresses feminine and has a deep voice and is on the tall side who has been accused of being trans and has been made to feel unsafe having abuse shouted at her on the street. All women are now at risk of being cast out of women’s spaces if they don’t align with how someone (probably a male security guard) thinks women should look and that concerns me more than sharing a space with trans women.

Seriously? A female who dresses in a feminine manner has had abuse shouted at her for being ‘on the tall side’?

Is there more to the story, as it seems likely that very many women would be abused in that case, and I haven’t heard of a single one? A very tall woman with cropped hair and a beard who dresses in a suit and hangs around the Ladies in a rough nightclub might attract attention, but a woman in women’s clothing in the street? Where do you live where that goes on?

Also, whilst you have every right to your opinion, the fact that you are more concerned about all women being at risk of being cast out of women’s spaces than about men being in them is neither here nor there. The law states that sex equals birth sex (ie nothing to do with ‘gender’).

Where do you go that has male security guards in the Ladies? And why do you think women’s spaces exist in the first place? What’s the point of having them if they are open to men?

No it hasn't. It has been clarified. Organisations interpreted the law in many ways.
As I say transmen ( women) were frequently housed in female prisons.

Ok, so your male-looking ex could attack you in a women’s space, so you think all men should be allowed to access such spaces? I’m not following your logic at all.

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So because women are occasionally challenged ( and that happened 30 or so years ago to my friend who is a butch lesbian, it is nothing new)men should be allowed
in female spaces, the answer is no. As soon as my friend spoke, people realised their mistake. Generally, we are very good at noticing someones sex.
We don't consent, and ignoring wonens consent is about as dangerous as it gets.

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Oh and how on earth do you know that those security guards are male? Aren't you just doing what you are accusing everyone else of doing - making an assumption by the way they present.

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But you are arguing that the way people present shouldn't be a factor for judgement, you have just done it and also based it on assumptions due to the work role.

The use of pronouns has no impact on your sex obviously.

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