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The Women's Institute is to revert to being an Institute for Women
(294 Posts)www.thewi.org.uk/media-centre/press-releases
It appears that the WI, along with Guiding, has finally accepted that the law applies to them as well as to the rest of us.
I am not a WI member, so much of what I know is from reading things like the thread on MN where a member's husband was refused membership as he doesn't 'live as a woman'. He took them to court, as they did allow transwomen to be members, so it was his lifestyle, not his sex that precluded his membership. Nobody can define what 'living as a woman' means, lifestyle is not a protected characteristic, and sex is legally based on biology, so it appears that he has won his case - I don't see how he could have lost, really.
Both the WI and Guiding express deep sorrow and regret at their decisions and are clearly 'giving in' grudgingly, but AFAIK neither asked their membership's opinions on things like having boys in tents with girls, or men at meetings supposedly for women, and from which men who don't claim to 'live as women' are excluded - the policies were imposed, not voted in.
I assume it's obvious that I approve of the policy reversals. At one time I would have argued that a very occasional man who had transitioned should be allowed in the WI, (although I would probably not have approved on teenage boys being in the GG), but since the recent forcing of the TRA agenda onto policies of various types my desire to protect women and girls has trumped a wish for everyone to live and let live.
It was apparently discussed on Women's Hour this morning, but I have been out all day, and missed it. Did anyone hear it, please, and if so, was anything discussed that contradicts my take on it all (ie that a women's and girls' groups should be for women and girls)?
I can't open that. But in terms of segregation, by law a few spaces are limited to one sex. It is perfectly fine to have mixed spaces as well. No one is stopping that happening, indeed many exist.
Nanananabatman
Do you suppose the TW (males) who caused these issues care any more about the problems they’ve caused for other trans (TW or TM) than they actually care about women, even though they’re pretending to be women?
Quite obviously not.
Re the PCO issue
If you have facial hair caused by this, you will know you spend a lot of time and energy getting rid of it, unless I suppose, you’re planning on being a TM . . .
For every horror story you can copy and paste, where trans have suffered there will be at least as many if not more genuine accounts of the impact of male (TW) cheating, intimidating, threatening or even hurting women.
e.g.
Rapists claiming to be TW and demanding to be kept in female prisons because they’re afraid of men!
Really sick humour!
TW demanding to be on female mental health wards, whilst making it obvious they are male and threatening staff who attempt to remove them.
TW perving in girls/women’s changing rooms even whilst being obviously male.
I could go on.
Once again a reminder.
These issues were caused by the behaviour of some TW (males).
TW have no place in women’s safe spaces, sports or things set up specifically for women . . . because they aren’t women!
Would you feel safe allowing random members of the public into your home because they say they are members of your family?
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No one is ignoring you we hold different opinions to you.
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You have had several responses to your posts - you are not being ignored.
I'm sure we can all post stories of how our own friends and family have been impacted by the sudden and speedy way the trans issue has come to prominence. A gay friend of mine went on a 'date' after joining a dating app and found that the person she was meeting was a transwoman. She tried to leave the bar, but was abused by him as he genuinely felt that she couldn't tell he was male, and felt that as she was attracted to women she should have sex with him, penis and all.
There are many less traumatic inconveniences and daily micro-aggressions against women, such as the way that in my workplace the Ladies loo was designated 'mixed gender', despite the fact that it was the only one on the floor (in a large building), it was near the door on a public thoroughfare so was often used by passers-by who knew it was there, and that it already had access for baby changing and the disabled. The Gents remained a male space, so male staff and students could use their own space in privacy, and also had access to the Ladies, which had become a fully public facility. Women had nowhere private to deal with periods or to feel safe in less busy times - the building is open 24/7.
You are lucky if you can avoid using public conveniences. Women who may be disabled, or who take small children with them when out don't have that choice, and are likely to be far more at risk than you.
In what way are you unsafe on here, incidentally? Unless you have a pathological fear of being contradicted I can't see any danger at all. As for being 'banned from wearing trousers', who do you think is going to do that, and why?
Oh, and questioning other women (or those who say they are women) is not anti-feminist😀. It is asking for clarification.
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I have responded to you a number of times, people holding different opinions is not a matter of safety. In fact society becomes dangerous when different opinions aren't allowed.
Well because clothes are nothing to do with your sex, we aren't the ones using phrases such as dress like a woman, live as a woman.
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It never gets far without the name calling does it.
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No as I have said I hold different views to you, I don't think you are an enemy, I don't know you, I just disagree with you.
I don't think women should be described as ' intolerant cis women' because they want spaces without men. Transwomen are men, this doesn't make me intolerant, it just makes me aware of reality.
Nanananabatman
I was hoping I could find a safe women’s space here but it feels like everyone has ignored how myself and other cis women have been attacked and isolated as a result of this and this place hasn’t been welcoming either. We will be banned from wearing trousers again if we carry on on this journey and it frightens me. Everyone just wants to shout about how happy they are trans women aren’t allowed to use public women’s restrooms and it’s worrying that they aren’t seeing that we have been fighting to be seen as more than just our bodies this whole time and it’s a step back for our ability to express ourselves safely or for women to be able to safely be freed from traditional gender norms.
But you aren’t trans are you, you say you are gay.Gay women can use women’s loos and spaces as they are women.
Nanananabatman
I don’t see how perpetuating a rhetoric that allows men to ask me to prove my sex based on my appearance in order for me to pee, leaving me feeling anxious to leave the house, is safe, kind or welcoming to all women? I owe trans women for my ability to be openly gay in public and am incredibly proud that they fought for my rights and protection and I will continue to return the favour. I will not have intolerant cis women undermining this progress they made to our human rights.
Only trans people call real women cis women, so are you really trans?We can only have a conversation about this if all posters are honest.
Gay people do not owe trans people anything regarding their rights and protection, that came about with the gay lobby and arguably, time.
Most women wear trousers and jeans in daily life, it’s more practical.
Trans women seem to prefer dresses and skirts.
Some schools insist on skirts for girls and some schools insist on trousers for girls.
I don’t think women who are gay face any problems in society as a result of the ban on trans women using women’s spaces.
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