Tommy Robinson’s ‘put Christ back into Christmas’ message"

Jesus's precepts in the Good Samaritan, his feeding the poor, his statement on the widows mite, his overturning of the tables at the temple:

Then why is the C of E "lefty", if they follow His words?

The C of E is so broad there are many different POV's.

The Evangelicals, whom have more conservative views on some social issues also follow the view of anti-racism and protecting our beautiful world.

If TR wants to set up a church like those loving Trump in the UK, let him go ahead.

But they are not following the Jesus of the new Testament.

He is a new Christian.
Like everyone, he has some learning to do.

^Jesus's precepts in the Good Samaritan, his feeding the poor, his statement on the widows mite, his overturning of the tables at the temple:
^

Also, I would say no abortion, no same sex marriage. etc

I dont think this particular thread is the time and place for me personally, to go into all that.
And I dont read/go on to all threads about Christianity, so I presume that has all been chewed over many times before.

In the end, one thousand people showed up. Seems to have gone peacefully. No doubt some of the carol singing will be viewed online.

This Observer article might throw a bit more light.
I am not sure that telling Baptist Ministers to f**k off demonstrates the Christian spirit....
observer.co.uk/news/national/article/far-right-has-parked-its-tanks-on-the-front-lawn-of-the-church-of-england-bishop-says

Wyllow3

I'll give you a spot of background that might help you see why I asked. As you know I'm a Quaker, and most UK Quakers do not believe in the Creed. We believe "there is that of god in everyone" and we talk of trying to 'Live in the Light" of the compassionate light that Jesus himself taught.

However Kenyan Quakers, and there are many, mostly do believe not so much in the creed as such, but do believe in the virgin birth and the resurrection.

But we exist together in harmony.

So Quakers aren’t Christians then?At least in the UK?
Your interpretation of Christianity appears to be that Jesus was a good man but not the son of God on earth and that his teachings were admirable but nothing more.You could be Jewish or Muslim or Humanist surely with that outlook?
Which is why I agree with Smileless

Maremia

In the end, one thousand people showed up. Seems to have gone peacefully. No doubt some of the carol singing will be viewed online.

That’s good isn’t it, in the spirit of Christmas !

So far so good. Let's see what his next 'Christian' act is.

Maremia

So far so good. Let's see what his next 'Christian' act is.

Have you read the Observer article I posted above? Do you really think that is acceptable behaviour?

I can't help seeing a certain irony in thinking that a carol service at Christmas has gone off peacefully and in the "spirit of Christmas" Surely that would be the norm?

No Mamie I have not. Was reporting an online headline.
Will have a look at your posting now.

So, he knows the 'songs'. Can he follow up with the actions, '
Peace and goodwill to all men' and women too?
The churches are right to be anxious about the possible influence of extremism from the States.
Hope they are up to the challenge.

This was the salient point for anyone who missed it.
"At the carol service in Whitehall, Sally Mann, a Baptist minister, was told by some attendees to “fuck off” when she invited them to pray with her, and said: “Christ wasn’t English. Christ was a refugee at Christmas.”.

Mamie

This was the salient point for anyone who missed it.
"At the carol service in Whitehall, Sally Mann, a Baptist minister, was told by some attendees to “fuck off” when she invited them to pray with her, and said: “Christ wasn’t English. Christ was a refugee at Christmas.”.

You can take a horse to water etc etc

I'm not a Christian but I've been to lots of carol services. I know the words to most of the carols and I know enough to behave appropriately and respectfully in a church. I think TR needs to run a few training courses in basic manners for his followers if he wants to be taken seriously.

Mamie

This was the salient point for anyone who missed it.
"At the carol service in Whitehall, Sally Mann, a Baptist minister, was told by some attendees to “fuck off” when she invited them to pray with her, and said: “Christ wasn’t English. Christ was a refugee at Christmas.”.

😲

I think I pointed that out too (could be on another thread)

lixy

fancythat Jesus is respected as a prophet in religions other than Christianity, including both Islam and Judaism.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is an opportunist and, like grandmabatty I would not want to be associated with him in any way.
I find it astonishing that he is now promoting the cause of one of the most famous refugees in history and, presumably, the Christian ethos of acceptance of all.

Mamie

lixy made the point very well on this thread!!
Well said, lixy

What a lot of nonsense it all is.

Point out to me in a couple of years time how TR and followers have faithfully attended church every Sunday and appropriate days and have adhered to Christian principle I will begin to show them respect.

What chance?

Snowballs chance in hell!

Allira

Mamie

This was the salient point for anyone who missed it.
"At the carol service in Whitehall, Sally Mann, a Baptist minister, was told by some attendees to “fuck off” when she invited them to pray with her, and said: “Christ wasn’t English. Christ was a refugee at Christmas.”.

😲

I think I pointed that out too (could be on another thread)

I thought I would be first with the Sunday Observer article at 4am French time. 😂

Mamie

Allira

Mamie

This was the salient point for anyone who missed it.
"At the carol service in Whitehall, Sally Mann, a Baptist minister, was told by some attendees to “fuck off” when she invited them to pray with her, and said: “Christ wasn’t English. Christ was a refugee at Christmas.”.

😲

I think I pointed that out too (could be on another thread)

I thought I would be first with the Sunday Observer article at 4am French time. 😂

Yes, you are first with the news 🙂

I meant the point about Jesus being a refugee.

Allira

Mamie

Allira

Mamie

This was the salient point for anyone who missed it.
"At the carol service in Whitehall, Sally Mann, a Baptist minister, was told by some attendees to “fuck off” when she invited them to pray with her, and said: “Christ wasn’t English. Christ was a refugee at Christmas.”.

😲

I think I pointed that out too (could be on another thread)

I thought I would be first with the Sunday Observer article at 4am French time. 😂

Yes, you are first with the news 🙂

I meant the point about Jesus being a refugee.

In the context of people on the thread at that time commenting that the event had gone well, I was pointing out how dreadful it was that a Baptist Minister had been told to fuck off for asking some attendees to pray with her.
I am surprised there has not been more reaction to it to be honest.

It didn't take long for the true colours of some to be shown did it.

This time of year, as well as collecting for the upkeep of the particular church, there are collections for the poor and homeless. Did this happen at the Stephen YL event?

Mamie, relax, I was simply repeating a headline.
I will be surprised if he is able to maintain the facade.
Only one thousand attended. I think many more were expected.

As I said, 'What will be his next Christian act?'

I am glad to hear that the event went peacefully, and horrified ( but not surprised) to hear of the foul language aimed at the minister.
Now, Mr Yaxley Lennon, I would like to address your avowed interest in Christianity. An hour singing carols does not equate directly to being a Christian: plenty of atheists and agnostics enjoy this experience, too.
Now, will we see you and your followers taking next steps on the path, hopefully omitting the verbal abuse of the minister.
The phrase sometimes quoted is " If you were accused of being Christian, would there be evidence to convict you?"
Singing a carol at Christmas probably isn't going to cut it.

Oreo

Wyllow3

I'll give you a spot of background that might help you see why I asked. As you know I'm a Quaker, and most UK Quakers do not believe in the Creed. We believe "there is that of god in everyone" and we talk of trying to 'Live in the Light" of the compassionate light that Jesus himself taught.

However Kenyan Quakers, and there are many, mostly do believe not so much in the creed as such, but do believe in the virgin birth and the resurrection.

But we exist together in harmony.

So Quakers aren’t Christians then?At least in the UK?
Your interpretation of Christianity appears to be that Jesus was a good man but not the son of God on earth and that his teachings were admirable but nothing more.You could be Jewish or Muslim or Humanist surely with that outlook?
Which is why I agree with Smileless

I was on my way to a quaker MfW (meeting for Worship) when I saw the post, and was about to reply in a long winded way, but I am not at all certain the question was benign.

I found this a couple of days ago.

if you other posters are really wanting to find out what quakers are about, and how can we claim to be "this or that" when we have no standing creed. Quakers, in the early days, and still, refer to themselves as "Seekers".

As we believe each person has a personal spiritual connection to whatever we conceive of as God/god, without the intermediary priest or leader, you may find this useful to read, and wish to make points or ask questions afterwards.

www.hastings-quakers.org.uk/about-us/#:~:text=The%20basis%20of%20Quakerism%20is,and%20a%20way%20of%20living.

You will appreciate it is far from and easy going "pick and mix" - to take on the responsibility for our fellow Quakers wellbeing and put ourselves through self-query as well as read widely is no simple task, but can be immensely rewarding, if rather earnest.