2 boat people Afghans jailed for raping 15 year old girl

Nobody will just be dumped anywhere.All it should take is a phone call to the foreign office of whatever country, or whoever is in charge, detailing the arrest of the perpetrator and his crime and his name and nationality.Then when the sentence has been served another phone call to let them know that their citizen is on the way there.It’s not rocket science.
Any country that refuses to take back its own criminals has its aid money stopped.

Sorry for spelling, on mobile: so it’s to Allsorts and the first sentence reads ‘cannot’

All sorts, if you read the first page you will see we canny just return them from unless they come unless the receiving country gives permission.

We in the UK do not allow a plane to land without permission for those people on it: it’s the same the world over: international law plus would you like people just to be dumped here without our permission .

…..yes it makes returns difficult, we do have agreements with many countries but Afghanistan is not one of them.

Who cares if he didn't come on a small boat, they are illegal and committed the most heinous crime its like excusing them. why should we have this evil pair here? Put them on a plane and then back from whence they came. What a position to be in, no country can just offload criminals on us like this. a country that bred leaving us with the problem, the family should pay all costs involved, they raised them. We do not want them the courts too soft. Rape should be a full life sentence in their own country how do you think this has affected that girl and her family?. Anyone wanting to live here legally have to wait fifteen years before its granted., commit a crime and they are out.

What a surprise.

Iam64

TerriBull, thanks for your posts- I especially appreciated the recent one (with paragraphs)

I referred to the fact that asylum seekers from Afghanistan were over represented in allegations /convictions of sexual offences against girls and women, in a previous thread. My post was ignored other than by GrannyGravy who commented she’d wondered if anyone would raise this. ( paraphrasing GG hope not misrepresenting)

The latest arrest in Bolton involves a 28 year old man from Afghanistan who has leave to remain. News reports say he met the two fourteen year olds on line.

As Afghanistan is a dangerous place, it’s unsurprising many are granted asylum. The fact is that Afghanistan is desperately dangerous for women and girls. They’re the people needing refuge but of course, they’re confined indoors, not allowed to speak or look out of windows.

I heard Nagga Munchetti ‘s radio five coverage yesterday, of the conviction of the two 17 year old Afghans convicted of rape. One of her interviewees was an Afghan man who runs a charity supporting Afghan asylum seekers. He wasn’t easy to interview, rambled and repeated himself. NM repeatedly asked him about the impact on the Afghan communities of the convictions. He repeatedly referred to the need to educate the community on the British culture because it’s so different and they don’t understand it. NM did eventually state that rape is also a crime in Afghanistan.

It’s a problem isn’t it.

TerriBull, thanks for your posts
Thank you from me too.

Interesting post, Iam64

love0c

Dreadful, dreadful, dreadful. I am finding it very difficult to keep hearing about these horrific crimes being committed by people who should not be residing in this country. Anybody even trying to 'justify' as to why they should be here should give their heads a really good wobble. This is my opinion and while ever we have people even remotely attempting to justify them are part of the problem. I wish they would think!!!!!

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Iam many thanks for your affirmation. You've often spoken about your career in Social Work and being at the Coalface of dealing with problems such as grooming, I do read your posts with interest and imagine you, and other posters such as Galaxy involved in a similar line of work can give most of us more of a definitive overview of what is often a multi faceted problem.

I do often think for the past 30 or so years we've faced a stone wall of silence and obfuscation. Many young women have been sacrificed to the dual aspects of shoring up some of the more divisive features of multiculturism and political correctness. This pressure cooker of ills has been bubbling away way too long and the, lid has blown and the contents are hitting the ceiling at an alarming rate. We are at a stage where society is kicking off every time another rape/sexual abuse case hit the headlines, not just here but all over Europe, many of those countries adopting far more draconian measures than here. I often in my mind's eye make an analogy between all of this and the sexual abuse carried out for so long by those within the Catholic church and possibly to a lesser extent by those within the CofE. All those abusers white, by the way, as far as I know, to counter balance the argument that these threads only seek to demonise one demographic. The sheer deception and denial that went on from within, was hugely damaging to the church and some of its complicit hierarchy, so much so that it has lost swathes of their potential congregation. People cannot bear cover ups, or worse still "lessons have been learned" and umpteen enquiries as to what is already in the public consciousness. As with the grooming scandal when the abuses within the church it become apparent, moreover that the problem was endemic, the weight of opinion can unfairly at times be skewed to besmirch the entire community, every priest etc., tarnished their critics looking at the structure from within, and in the case of say Pakistanis communities a perception of being inward looking, closed off and secretive, which homogenises them unfairly, no one group of people are rarely all one thing or the other.

Unfortunately, when people don't feel there is decisive action from the top. Perpetrators jailed, deported if they are a foreign national, what they don't want is an army of lawyers via legal aid fighting on their behalf for yet another appeal. They want abusers wherever they emanate to stop hiding behind guises of "I'm above the law because I'm a priest, the child led me on, the child/ren was/were complicit, she was a slut, I'm a family man, I didn't know that wasn't allowed here, my wife, children, cat will suffer, if I'm deported" and so on and so forth.

There are undeniably cultural issues, particularly from Afghanistan, as you say a desperately dangerous place for women and girls. I read some time ago, the words of political commentator Douglas Murray "Not all cultures are equal" and whilst some might find that offensive, I don't, why would we consider a culture equal to our own who seek to marry girl children to old men, subjugate women, treat them as second class citizens, practice genital mutilation, forced marriages, honour killings, stone people for adultery, or because they're gay.

Keir Starmer is trying to get the immigration part of the ECHR changed I remember discussing this years ago on here. It should have been addressed years ago too.

While we allow immigrants to walk freely in our streets then these attacks will go on. Blaming all this on them is wrong as we are welcoming them and of course they will come as it is a better life for them.
There should be no leeway given to any that commit a crime here and they should be deported even if they are sent back to a country that is not safe. They have had their chance and abused it.
I resent being told I don't care about victims. I know what rape can do to women and girls. I have DDs and GDs and fear for them from the dreadful men who perpetrate these heinous acts.
Please put some of the blame where it needs to go.
These situations should never have been allowed to happen.

TerriBull, thanks for your posts- I especially appreciated the recent one (with paragraphs)

I referred to the fact that asylum seekers from Afghanistan were over represented in allegations /convictions of sexual offences against girls and women, in a previous thread. My post was ignored other than by GrannyGravy who commented she’d wondered if anyone would raise this. ( paraphrasing GG hope not misrepresenting)

The latest arrest in Bolton involves a 28 year old man from Afghanistan who has leave to remain. News reports say he met the two fourteen year olds on line.

As Afghanistan is a dangerous place, it’s unsurprising many are granted asylum. The fact is that Afghanistan is desperately dangerous for women and girls. They’re the people needing refuge but of course, they’re confined indoors, not allowed to speak or look out of windows.

I heard Nagga Munchetti ‘s radio five coverage yesterday, of the conviction of the two 17 year old Afghans convicted of rape. One of her interviewees was an Afghan man who runs a charity supporting Afghan asylum seekers. He wasn’t easy to interview, rambled and repeated himself. NM repeatedly asked him about the impact on the Afghan communities of the convictions. He repeatedly referred to the need to educate the community on the British culture because it’s so different and they don’t understand it. NM did eventually state that rape is also a crime in Afghanistan.

It’s a problem isn’t it.

TerriBull says it all. Thank you.

TerriBull a very concise post, one that I totally agree with.

…and what’s even worse is that women are guilty of that attitude!
Well said TerriBull👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

But nobody has justified (or excused or tried to explain away, or made little of) the terrible sexual abuse here.

There is no deflection.
We all hate what's happened here as far as I can see.

I don't see the "stupid people" that Allsorts sees.
I think the idea that anyone would seek to justify such heinous acts is ridiculous.
I see condemnation from everyone on this thread.

What strikes me in these discussions is the palpable anger that springs off the page at times from those who are opposed to bringing the subject up with a "you're doing it again demonising one demographic" the victim at times won't even get a mention. Threads such as this don't come out of the blue, they are apropos of the latest conviction.

Since this latest case, another Afghan national, with indefinite leave to remain has been charged with sexually assaulting two 14 year old girls.

Comments that get thrown up, for those who would sweep it under the carpet, tend to be something along the lines of "you lot don't care about all the sexual crimes that are committed here by white British men" We do. I'd hazard a guess given that there are probably something in the region of 30 million adult males in this country, so yes unfortunately sexual abuse will happen, as it will anywhere amongst a large population and those crimes get reported. What stands out unfortunately, are the rape and sexual assaults that occur with the depressing regularity within the asylum seeker demographic, surely that must occur to even the naysayers. It's almost as if there is a parity in their numbers with our own homegrown crimes of a similar nature, which actually is a side issue, we can't deport our own wrong doers. In any event I'm assuming asylum seeker numbers would be thousands as opposed to the millions of the nation's men. So it's the disproportionality, that heightens anxieties, especially where there are a significant number of young men sited in residential areas, well in fact most areas are of that nature. Then as flagged up often, all of this disquiet feeds into the far right who crank it up a couple of notches. Of course they're just looking for trouble, they capitalise on the fact that we've had successive governments who are NOT dealing with the situation in an effective way. When an abuser gets a smack on the wrist for groping women because he didn't know that wasn't an acceptable way to behave over here, what sort of message does that send out? Most rational people would subscribe to "one strike and you're out" All coming on the back of the mass sexual abuse of young girls that has gone on for over 20 years, and that couldn't be talked about for ages either. Look what happened to the brave Labour MP, the late Ann Cryer labelled a racist for bringing it up in the early days when it was brought to her notice. Sometimes this appears to be a well trodden path, when we can't discuss cultural issues that are big problems in our society without being accused as a racist, we're going down a ground hog day all over again and look where that's got us.

Yep....six cases by Afghan men in the last two months I gather in total.

NotSpaghetti

^The stupid people justifying such acts...^

Where are these "stupid people" please?
I haven't seen anyone justifying these acts!
I think that's ridiculous.

I think it’s the deflection by a few, we have British rapists and those who attack women so let’s not look at all the sexual assaults on girls and women by young foreign men or asylum seekers, such as this latest case by Afghans.🤬
Well, we have to look at it, face it and admit there’s a big problem.We just have to.

AGAA4

I could have reported your posts as a personal attack Allira but I don't report.
There has been a pile on as several posters are joining in. Bullying is cowardly.

There is no pile on, there is no bullying.There is just you being annoyed at a difference in opinion.
To my mind you were rude to Allira by saying that she had already posted a comment and that you didn’t need to see it again.

The stupid people justifying such acts...

Where are these "stupid people" please?
I haven't seen anyone justifying these acts!
I think that's ridiculous.

* commit crimes*

It was clear in a subsequent post that you haven't read.
I am as appalled as anyone else by rape by any man. I've said on other threads that if people coming into this country they should be immediately deported.
I actually agree with Trump on this that our government and previous government are letting us down by not controlling our borders.
This situation should never have been allowed to happen.

That poor girl, our thoughts should be with her. Rapists be castrated and deported.. This government and previous ones are responsible for allowing people here without paperwork without checking their history and coming through illegal routes, caring more for them than their own citizens,, Too anxious to be politically correct than doing their job. The stupid people justifying such acts and crying racist, we are unfortunately stuck with them I suppose, if it happened to them perhaps it might sink in how dreadful the crime is.

AGAA4

Ah because I don't agree with "castrate them" "with a rusty saw" "feral young men" that Wyllow called bile.
You clearly haven't read my posts where I said that anyone who comes to this country and commits an offence should be deported.
Probably what most are saying so is that deflection?

That was not clear at all.

I think there is always something about 'shh don't say that' that immediately brings my guard up. I am afraid that lately in politics and public life, it seems to be all people have. No debate, no attempt to even see the other point of view.
Forgetting everything else it is so counterproductive.
I think in this debate you don't get to be a 'good guy' or hold the moral highground. Both 'sides' have risks and shades of grey. I for one will not be sacrificing women and children to be kind. To beat a well worn drum we know how that went the last time.

Ah because I don't agree with "castrate them" "with a rusty saw" "feral young men" that Wyllow called bile.
You clearly haven't read my posts where I said that anyone who comes to this country and commits an offence should be deported.
Probably what most are saying so is that deflection?