2 boat people Afghans jailed for raping 15 year old girl

NotSpaghetti

pably15,
As I said, we don't know how the younger one got here.

It was Robert Holt, speaking for and about Jahanzeb who said the teenager had spent nine months travelling from Afghanistan to the UK, eventually arriving in British waters on a small boat.

I am appalled by their actions here but nevertheless have found nothing to say that Niazal came on a small boat... he may well have done - but I'd like to know.

How they arrived is irrelevant.

They both came to this country to seek sanctuary/asylum, the went in to rape a child. They have abused the hospitality of the U.K., they have abused our laws and lost any right to remain.

My empathy is with the young girl and her family whose lives will never be the same.

My understanding of to dehumanise is that we strip a person of their positive qualities.

Well seeing as these two young men have exhibited no positive traits I approve of, quite the opposite in fact, my jog off thoughts would be for these two to "get the hell out of
here".

The life of that poor girl and her family will forever be a living hell.

That does not mean that I feel the same way about all others.

We should not be allowing undocumented young men into our country. We know nothing about them and they are of no benefit to our country. We have enough of our own wrong ‘uns without taking more in. It is costing us millions to keep them in prisons.

Why would two young men who want to make their lives here in the U.K. think it’s ok to rape a 15yr old child.

To go on and say that they want to remain here, well no thank you very much, we have enough of homegrown criminals they can jog off back to whence they came…

I think we actually want the same thing...a safer world for women and children. Where we differ is that I believe dehumanising people based on their background doesn’t get us closer to that world. We can address real problems without resorting to language that treats whole communities as less than human.

The more we dehumanise women and children by not looking at these issues the further we get from a world I want to live in.

We’re all one. The more we dehumanise each other, the further we get from the world we actually want to live in.

Wyllow3

CariadAgain

!!! to "The receiving country has to agree to the deportation" !!!!

Seriously? Their own country having to agree to have them back = wow! just wow!

I guess the answer to that is "We have to agree to keep them - after they've served their sentence - and we don't". So unless they want to be stateless (which I reckon we'd have no problem with that happening to them.....)......

Yes. For example, we have to agree before UK criminals are re admitted to the UK.

It's international, based on the understandable concept that going ground the world dumping criminals generally doesn't go down well.

Then I, for one, would like comparison tables between different countries to see who has the most and the least that we'd like to dump back into their own countries because of being a criminal. I'd be willing to bet that there are differences between different nations and I'd also be willing to bet that "the poorer their own home nation the greater the chance of them committing crimes". If someone comes from a wealthier/more modern/etc country I'd estimate the chances are they'd be less likely to commit a crime per se.

Now wondering if I can find a table anywhere to indicate things like how many crimes a British person might commit in Scandinavia or a Scandinavian person in Britain and then broaden out to include comparisons between all countries.

I have my doubts that would work out fairly.....if only because sheer logic says someone would be more likely to commit a crime in someone else's country (if only because they wouldnt know the norms/have the contacts etc that they will in their own country).

Who the ‘eff’ are British People Sarnia
oh do you mean the ones that go to live abroad and expect ‘English breakfast’ and ‘English beer’ and talk very loudly so people can understand them, or the ones that go to Vietnam and rape young children or get child brides or is the ones that used to conquer countries and leave the locals to starve My goodness we have so much to be proud of being British haven't we? The aborigines, the Maoris the Zulus shall I go on ? is it those British people we want to preserve our heritage for ?

ahh yes we are all British through and through aren’t we ? have you ever done your DNA I bet you ve got all sorts of blood running through your veins I know I have
I m going before I get angry

Could say the same Sago for the number of 'anti migrant' posts on Gransnet.

We will continue to be shocked by headlines such as these because many of these men have been brought up in cultures that do not respect or value women. In my local area we have a migrant hotel and there have been 3 court cases to our knowledge all following the same pattern. Young men sexually assaulting young girls. Until this country has a Government that puts words into actions and starts putting British people first then these headlines will continue.

Sadly BlueBelle, you are correct. On both points.

BlueBelle

I ve never ever seen a headline …..
White Englishman rapes child Yes it happens daily

It probably does but the number of sexual crimes committed by immigrants/asylum seekers is disproportionate.

I ve never ever seen a headline …..
White Englishman rapes child Yes it happens daily

Ideally, they should serve their sentence in their own country. If that is not possible, perhaps it's time to consider another option. If we were to build a prison in some desolate place, and put all the foreign prisoners there to serve out their time, I'm sure there will be a country with unused wasteland (such as the Sahara) which would be only too pleased to be paid for such a project.

pably15,
As I said, we don't know how the younger one got here.

It was Robert Holt, speaking for and about Jahanzeb who said the teenager had spent nine months travelling from Afghanistan to the UK, eventually arriving in British waters on a small boat.

I am appalled by their actions here but nevertheless have found nothing to say that Niazal came on a small boat... he may well have done - but I'd like to know.

How do we know he was only 16 when he pleaded guilty, none of them seem to have any documents on them when they arrive, they are usually dumped in the sea.

The safety of our citizens is of prime importance, not the safety of the perpetrator.

eazybee

I believe the sentence is ten years, which seems to mean five years imprisonment so what happens if his country refuses to accept him when free? I am sure the victim's family will watch for his release and deportation but what influence will they have?

It's a valid point, but we are talking Afghanistan. Generally within Western Europe its a given of citizens, but elsewhere?

As regards exporting criminals, there are many benign reasons for international law - for example, a country could decide for example that a journalist or indeed any UK citizen who was telling some home truths about the country could charge and deport them even when there has been no crime, and so on.

(of course, if its Russian, you might just get bumped off, or be a UK citizen and face the death penalty for something we would not consider henious...)

I believe the sentence is ten years, which seems to mean five years imprisonment so what happens if his country refuses to accept him when free? I am sure the victim's family will watch for his release and deportation but what influence will they have?

pably15

it's unbelievable....commit this horendous crime, then still want to make a life for himself when he's released...it's as if once he's served his time ...the slate's wiped clean.I don't think the 15 year old girl or her family will think that way

Who is his solicitor? He or someone must have advised him as to the laws regarding deportation.
The court was told Niazal pleaded guilty a day before his 17th birthday – the cut-off point for automatic deportation of foreign criminals sentenced to more than a year in custody.

CariadAgain

!!! to "The receiving country has to agree to the deportation" !!!!

Seriously? Their own country having to agree to have them back = wow! just wow!

I guess the answer to that is "We have to agree to keep them - after they've served their sentence - and we don't". So unless they want to be stateless (which I reckon we'd have no problem with that happening to them.....)......

Yes. For example, we have to agree before UK criminals are re admitted to the UK.

It's international, based on the understandable concept that going ground the world dumping criminals generally doesn't go down well.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/asylum-seekers-jailed-rape-jahanzeb-israr-niaza-warwick-b2880412.html

He should NEVER be allowed to make a new life here. In fact we never should have allowed him and his mates in, in the first place.

it's unbelievable....commit this horendous crime, then still want to make a life for himself when he's released...it's as if once he's served his time ...the slate's wiped clean.I don't think the 15 year old girl or her family will think that way