2 boat people Afghans jailed for raping 15 year old girl

Educating asylum seekers when they arrive was talked about days ago. A good post on it by Terribull

Who are all these people chanting "racist?"

So do I Lathyrus.

Lathyrus- a great post- I agree with you.

Lathyrus3

There are enough of these cases of rapes now to be able to say there is an identifiable pattern. They are no longer isolated incidents.

It seems to me that an immediate education programme when asylum seekers arrive, into the culture of they are entering, especially in regard to human relationships, social norms, laws and penalties, would be one way to bring about change.

But as long as people are chanting racist and demanding that these attacks are not recognised as a pattern, then nothing will be put into place and this abuse will escalate.

I wish those who are set on denial could see that they are actually making things worse, both for women and asylum seekers. A practical approach rather than an ineffective ideology is what’s needed.

Excellent comments.

Stansgran

TerriBull everything you have written in this thread is brilliant and succinct and has encapsulated everything I feel about this horrible situation of the low opinion some migrants feel about women and children. It is worth remembering that the Muslim prophet wedded Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9. I believe Geraldine Brooks has written an excellent book about life in the Middle East.

I think we need to balance this by acknowledging there are people living here of all faiths and nationalities who don’t have any indications that they want to marry 6 years or have sex with 9 year old girls and that have settled very happily here, working and having adult relationships with other adults.

There’s some pretty rum stuff in our Christian bibles, especially the Old Testament, that we accept isn’t necessarily literal today.

pably15

Israr Niazal...on the news it says that he spent 9 months travelling to uk, eventually arriving in british waters in a small boat, he wants to make a life for himself in this country after he is released. He pleaded guilty 1 day before his 17th birthday, it seems that was the cut off point for automatic deportation.
Surely this government has to start looking after the British people instead of bending backwards to accomodate migrants.

Our govt can do both. It’s not either all. If we had to deal with even a quarter of what some asylum seekers go through we might actually appreciate that, compared to many other countries, we are actually quite lucky.

Of course, this doesn’t give ANYONE the right to sexually assault or hurt any other human wherever they come from. I think they should be deported. Having said that even when Brits are legally in others countries if they are found guilty of crimes they are imprisoned in said country.

GrannyGravy13- I agree - there is currently no operational agreement between UK and Afghanistan for asylum seekers. The formal agreement that existed in 2021 be4came inoperable after the change in regime when the Taliban took control.

However the UK government remains committed to not allowing those committed of serious crime to settle in UK etc as posted. Jahanzeb was served with deportation papers at the time of his guilty plea, ie evidencing efforts to deport him. The Uk government has imposed visa penalties on countries that refuse to cooperate with returns of their nationals in such circumstances meanwhile.

The sentencing judge said "a lack of information stokes public anger and leads to spread of false information".

eazybee

There is nothing patronising about asking for paragraphs.

Critical though? Making someone feel small?

A two word post saying 'Paragraphs PLEASE', with not a word about the post's content is very rude at best and totally unnecessary.
TerriBull's post was excellent in its content, and that's the important factor.

There is nothing patronising about asking for paragraphs.

Thank you Stansgran x

TerriBull everything you have written in this thread is brilliant and succinct and has encapsulated everything I feel about this horrible situation of the low opinion some migrants feel about women and children. It is worth remembering that the Muslim prophet wedded Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9. I believe Geraldine Brooks has written an excellent book about life in the Middle East.

To address your comments Crosstitch fan. I'll put my hands up to being sarcastic at times, it generally kicks in when I'm quite nonplussed, as I was somewhat with "paragraphs please!" I'd agree however with Witzend, she did pull me up short, it was one long screed that could have been broken in that she had a point. My response was a bit of the knee jerk nature and not very considered. However, I'm also of the opinion that we are all adults posting on here and it is somewhat patronising to return to a teacher/pupil dynamic it's not what we come on here for. In that respect I don't think we should actually comment on how other posters frame their wording, lack of punctuation etc. If you are reading Witzend, I apologise for my sarcasm in that instance. I can't swear that I won't forget to paragraph again, as I said once I'm in full flow, that sometimes goes out the window.

We all have perceptions of how we perceive other posters. Possibly we are only getting a one dimensional overview though, because most of us don't know each other. I can't really worry about an opinion you have formed of me Crosstitch apropos of that, you don't know me and I don't know you. We all have opinions of prolific posters, possibly what we glean from what they say on here is maybe only one facet of their overall persona.

TerriBull

Witzend - you are not marking my homework .

I don't always bother with paragraphing when I'm in full flow, it breaks my momentum .

Paragraphing now just for you, since you've put such emphasis on the PLEASE hope this post is meeting with your requirements.

Most who have read my post have managed to follow what I've said just as it's been conveyed.

Thanks for the snarky pedantry though.

I really loved being pulled up not

Anything else I could improve on, commas, full stops, capital letters, semi colons. parenthesis, you might like to comment on.

Off to write a hundred times now I MUST PARAGRAPH.

Oh dear! You posted a brilliant post which everyone admired. Great! Respect!
Then you followed it with this sarcastic piece of nastiness which, for me at least, has changed my opinion of you.
What a shame.
Now I’ll sit back and wait for your followers to shout at me.

There are enough of these cases of rapes now to be able to say there is an identifiable pattern. They are no longer isolated incidents.

It seems to me that an immediate education programme when asylum seekers arrive, into the culture of they are entering, especially in regard to human relationships, social norms, laws and penalties, would be one way to bring about change.

But as long as people are chanting racist and demanding that these attacks are not recognised as a pattern, then nothing will be put into place and this abuse will escalate.

I wish those who are set on denial could see that they are actually making things worse, both for women and asylum seekers. A practical approach rather than an ineffective ideology is what’s needed.

Thank you for the calcification, basically in the 21st century it is still open season for women.

Men can cop a feel and get away with it 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

Oreo you are right. Sexual abuse will not result in a prison sentence but men who commit these acts can go on to rape.

GrannyGravy13

*Wyllow3*I hope you reported your abuser.

Hopefully they will be incarcerated for their crime.

You don’t get incarcerated for minor crimes of that kind GG13 or so I have read.

Wyllow3

UK born male citizens see women every day dressed as per we dress and go and rape women or often having grown up in an environment where women are abused, go on and abuse women.

Your GD and her friends are far more likely to be abused by a UK born and raised male

I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole and incomers as part of that, but this continual obsessive blaming on various immigrants is just really racist and hate mongering.

Over on another thread we are discussing just ouse of the abuse that happened under the guise of Christianity: I was sexually abused two months ago in a worship setting; lets get things in proportion.

You keep on saying that this is racist and that is racist, flinging the term about continually at posters when it’s nothing of the sort.
This particular thread is addressing the subject of asylum seekers who come here for a better life then rape or sexually assault girls and women here.If you prefer to sweep this fact under the carpet it’s up to you but it seems very very curious for any person, especially a woman to do that.

I agree AGAA4, childhood is where we learn acceptable behaviour. The reality is that cultural norms in Afghanistan have always been very different to ours. They’re even more oppressive towards women and girls now

Fifty years ago my cousin and his girl friend followed the hippie trail to India. They travelled through Afghanistan, felt safe and accepted. They reported that often my cousin was offered a camel in exchange for his beautiful blonde girl friend. Whilst it never became threatening they were increasingly aware of the value out on women. At least fifty years ago it was safe to travel through the country.

I would put them on an airplane, send them to their country of birth, drop them off and let them sort themselves out. Yes, I know we don't know where they come from but not difficult to work out.
This won't go down well but I'm sick of their rights at the expense of these poor victims in our country

Wyllow3I hope you reported your abuser.

Hopefully they will be incarcerated for their crime.

LemonJam

Wyllow3- 10.11- I completely agree.

GrannyGravy-it's not ok for asylum seekers to rape, just as it's not ok for UK citizens to rape. It's never OK to rape. Asylum seekers who are convicted will not be able to settle in UK; all efforts will be sought to deport them once they have been convicted.

The U.K. previously had a formal returns agreement with the Government of Afghanistan, but this agreement has been inoperable in practice since the Taliban takeover in 2021.

All enforced returns to the country are currently suspended.

i.e. the Afghan criminals are here to stay for the foreseeable until such time a new agreement is in place.

Nor do we have a returns agreement with Sudan

We do have one with Iran, but the government there makes it nigh on possible to return people.

Wyllow3

UK born male citizens see women every day dressed as per we dress and go and rape women or often having grown up in an environment where women are abused, go on and abuse women.

Your GD and her friends are far more likely to be abused by a UK born and raised male

I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole and incomers as part of that, but this continual obsessive blaming on various immigrants is just really racist and hate mongering.

Over on another thread we are discussing just ouse of the abuse that happened under the guise of Christianity: I was sexually abused two months ago in a worship setting; lets get things in proportion.

I don't think you understand what is being said. There are a disproportionate amount of attacks on women and girls by asylum seekers.
I think that educating these young men on how to behave with women here benefits them as they may not go on to harm women meaning they might be able to stay here. Also of course fewer women would be attacked.
I don't understand how you see this as racist?
I believe children should be taught to respect each other from an early age wherever they were born.

Galaxy

So is the thread about the abuse perpetrated by catholics also hateful and anti Catholic. If not why not?

Exactly. There’s also a thread about the prolific abuse of boys and young men by Smythe, who operated under the ‘respectable ‘ Church of England.

It’s a fact that men of Afghani asylum seeking backgrounds are over represented in recent stats on sexual offences. It’s a problem, exacerbated by the fact this nationality of men are likely to qualify for asylum.

As ever, I’m going to ask the question. Why is it that so many men are sexually attracted to children.