Mass shooting by suspected Islamist extremists at Bondi Beach

This is a terrible crime and so sad on a day of celebration. Perhaps now the growing anti Semitism in my country will be taken seriously. Stopping those dreadful pro Hamas marches would be a start plus much more security for the Jewish people. Many are frightened to send their children to the Jewish schools which is totally disgraceful. Not my Australia.
What a hero that man is - and he got shot for his pains.

My heart goes out to your country nanna8

Allira

^This no way fits in with the narrative, "they are ALL......."?^
Whose narrative, Wyllow?

I have not seen that written in posts on this thread.
Posters are mentioning extremists and, sadly, this is what some extremists of all kinds do.

Two posters and counting.

On a day like this people are upset and angry and trying to make sense of things. Hard for some to understand.

Another devastating attack on Jewish families, this time during a significant Jewish festival on a beach, rather than in a synagogue.

I read this morning that one of the murderers had stated alliance to Isis.

What a dreadful event and it's reported that the shooters were father and son. The son had been investigated because of links to IS but thought not to be a threat.
I've watched the video of the son being disarmed by a member of the public. What bravery and he will have saved many lives by showing such courage. This man is, I understand, Ahmed Al Ahmed, a Syrian Muslim with two very young children who arrived in Australia in 2006 as a young man.

I'm just pondering on how an ordinary citizen can get hold of a semi automatic killing machine, unless through some dubious source.

What a terrible day for the Jewish community in Australia and in the wider sense,how these awful events resonate world wide in the escalating fear as to what will crop up next.

That brave man of Arabic origin, whose act of bravery was was so magnificent should be applauded. That Bonnie Tyler song "I need a hero" was humming away in my head when I read about him.

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This horrific event in Australia shows that antisemitism is now universal. Sadly it has spread to every corner of the globe, and nowhere can Jews go about their daily lives without a feeling of immense fear and despair.

Almost worse than that, is that antisemitism is here to stay forever. It is timeless, being passed down the generations, as we see from this father to son example.

I'm so sorry for Australia. I'm so sorry for our world.

I do like the sound of rose united glasses, I wish there were more of them in this world.

MartavTaurus Extremism is prevalent in this world and it comes in many different forms and often driven by social media.

I would just say, Freya that asking for a two state solution, which is supported widely the world over, is *not" supporting Hamas in any way.

Wyllow3

Allira

This no way fits in with the narrative, "they are ALL......."?
Whose narrative, Wyllow?

I have not seen that written in posts on this thread.
Posters are mentioning extremists and, sadly, this is what some extremists of all kinds do.

Two posters and counting.

Wyllow. You said ALL ....

This is a time of sorrow, of grieving, not criticising other posters.

Wyllow3

I would just say, Freya that asking for a two state solution, which is supported widely the world over, is *not" supporting Hamas in any way.

Not overtly but obliquely.

TerriBull

I'm just pondering on how an ordinary citizen can get hold of a semi automatic killing machine, unless through some dubious source.

What a terrible day for the Jewish community in Australia and in the wider sense,how these awful events resonate world wide in the escalating fear as to what will crop up next.

That brave man of Arabic origin, whose act of bravery was was so magnificent should be applauded. That Bonnie Tyler song "I need a hero" was humming away in my head when I read about him.

That brave man of Arabic origin, whose act of bravery was was so magnificent should be applauded. That Bonnie Tyler song "I need a hero" was humming away in my head when I read about him.

Quite extraordinary! We need more like him in the world.

He is recovering from surgery, I do hope he will be all right.

But we are not the people living in Israel. Why do we presume to know that a two state solution is a just solution? We don’t live with the consequences of our interference into another far away place.

Because we don't yet know the specific motivations of those two men, we haven't mentioned the "G word". But world wide there can be little doubt that by many, including myself, that the waves of anti semitism we see are at least in part caused by policies as regards Gaza and the situation people living there find themselves in.

I do indeed have the concern that as long as the situation remains as it is, we shall see a rise in anti semitism.

It's not reasonable, it's not acceptable: it's completely wrong, that what is happening in Gaza leads to attacks on very ordinary people just going about their everyday lives - it is indefensible in that regard. but it is a factor we cant ignore in discussions.

We turn to gun violence generally as well, which as to be a concern in every country as regards "who can get hold of guns"
.In the USA, just in December alone,

"A shooting at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island that left two people dead and nine wounded.
A shooting at a children's birthday party in California where three children were among four killed.

it is happening in the USA now - so ubiquitously - that it now goes unremarked in our news (I did catch a brief report, which is why I looked it up). and the current regime in the USA's answer is "get more guns to protect yourself".

Back to Australia - we now need to know the details of the attack in terms of specific motivations - why them, why now.

I remember antisemitism from when I was a teenager in the 60s. It's not new but now it is accompanied by violence.
I despair of humanity. In thousands of years we haven't learned to accept each other for what we are and live in peace and harmony.
What a beautiful world that would be.

ronib

But we are not the people living in Israel. Why do we presume to know that a two state solution is a just solution? We don’t live with the consequences of our interference into another far away place.

It's the international communities' "best option" when both sides want to claim "from the river to the sea", Ronib. Have you a better one?

"We turn to gun violence generally as well, which as to be a concern in every country as regards "who can get hold of guns"

In the USA it's possible to wander into a shop and buy whatever type of gun you wish as the right to bear arms is written into the Constitution.

The gun laws in Australia are very strict after what happened at Port Arthur. How this man was able to hold a gun licence and own six rifles will need to be the subject of an investigation.

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The guns were owned by the father, who had possessed a gun licence for over 10 years. The son was the ISIS sympathiser as I understand it, but was not thought to pose a threat, and they didn’t live at the same address. In fairness to the police, they would have to put two and two together to make five to recognise the risk. I’m sure they will learn from this and tighten up the gun laws, but I don’t think we should be too harsh on the police.

I’m sure they will learn from this and tighten up the gun laws, but I don’t think we should be too harsh on the police.

The gun laws are very strict anyway and the father, I believe, was known to ASIO.

One of the Bondi Beach gunmen came to the attention of Australia's domestic intelligence agency six years ago for his close ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State (IS) terrorism cell, the ABC understands.
ABC News

I do think there are questions to answer.

the father, I believe, was known to ASIO
No, it was the son who is still alive but under police guard in hospital.

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