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I was actually probably using the term 'middle class' in an vaguely unkind way when describing my village, it has an organised group of people who object to pretty much all new builds.
I actually love where I live but I also understand I am very lucky.

Galaxy

I stand by my point though. There are villages in my area which experience considerable deprivation, this impacts their services, their schools, etc etc. The middle class tend not to buy houses there, and many many people transport their children to schools in the 'middle class' villages.
I am not saying this is a good thing but I am not going to pretend it isn't happening.

There are villages everywhere like this, villages where prices are above others as they’re considered more desirable to live.
More attractive housing stock and pretty gardens draw in the more well off.

I stand by my point though. There are villages in my area which experience considerable deprivation, this impacts their services, their schools, etc etc. The middle class tend not to buy houses there, and many many people transport their children to schools in the 'middle class' villages.
I am not saying this is a good thing but I am not going to pretend it isn't happening.

Galaxy

I am glad I mentioned villages

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Galaxy

I am glad I mentioned villages

You mentioned middle-class villages! That was my point. I don't really care about all the other kinds of villages, disappeared or not.

I don't know why MaizieD mentioned she was a local history buff (whatever that is) but she did.

I am not trying to prove anyone wrong- I just like to know why people make the assumption they do- is that wrong? Maybe it is- I'm frequently wrong about many things...

Galaxy

I am glad I mentioned villages

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I am glad I mentioned villages

As for middle class villages, our local village used to be working class, the residents are now middle class with just a handful local of “families” remaining, young famines move into town where all the jobs are. The old cottages have been improved and extended from 2 up 2 down hovels in the 1950s to desirable homes. When the old estate was sold in 1954 the cottages sold for £300, now they would be £500k plus.
It’s a conservation area the Main Street looks the same except for the cars parked, change, all in my lifetime.

Enclosures is a possibility, David, though they might have been the Elizabethan ones when the peasants were evicted to make way for sheep.
There was also a bit of an 18th C trend for landowners to move villages which impeded their enjoyment of their Capability Brown engineered landscapes and rebuild them somewhere else. Chatsworth is a well known example.

However, keepingquiet seems determined that Co Durham was covered with villages well before the 19th C despite the fact that it didn’t have sufficient population to occupy them.

MaizieD

We have a few deserted mediaeval villages (without churches).

But that was much earlier. Black Death...

We have the site of a deserted village close to us artefacts are often found it was thought to be deserted during the enclosures, the name survives as a farmstead.
Another 5 miles away the Norman church survives the village was deserted much earlier probably Black Death.

I’m not saying there weren’t any villages but the population exploded when the mining industry (coal, lead and ironstone) became hugely expanded in the 19th C. People poured into the area from all over Britain to work in it. I can read old maps and census records.

I really don’t know why you are trying to prove me wrong.

MaizieD

keepingquiet

MaizieD

In the NE it's a village established long before mining settlements (which we have in abundance) were built in the 19th century; full of attractive stone built housing, which are highly sought after and very expensive. There are a couple near me...

So it's just a village then. Most villages existed before the advent of mining. Where I live in the north of England we don't have middle-class villages, just villages that have some middle-class people living in them.

Well, actually, keepingquiet, most villages didn't exist in my part of the NE before the advent of mining. There weren't enough people in the area to need villages.

For example, the very small town up the road from me had a mill and scattered farms until the 1840s. The village down the road from me didn't exist at all on the 18thC enclosure award map.

You can always tell the older villages because they have a mediaeval church. There aren't a great many of them.

I'm a bit of a local history buff...

But there were people and they lived in villages which may or may not have grown into mining towns, or disappeared altogether.
The village I now live in has had various names over the years, and obviously was mostly a cluster of small farms.
Now it has a small council housing estate, privately rented and owner occupied homes.
Many of the old buildings have long gone, but it doesn't mean they weren't there before.
I know this because I also attend a local history group and we have lessons on how to read and interpret ancient maps- which clearly give info on what was here before the industrial revolution- which were villages and farms.
Maybe the north east was bare and barren before coal mining, but not all of it by any means.
I still don't know what a middle-class village is!

That wouldn’t stop them, they see trees and want them gone.

Oreo

Developers always grub up trees before they start building🤬

The trees that were destroyed here weren't on the development, they were across a main road.

We have a few deserted mediaeval villages (without churches).

But that was much earlier. Black Death...

You can always tell the older villages because they have a mediaeval church. There aren't a great many of them.
There's a village near here which has a large medieval church which, some claim, could be a replacement for an earlier church.
The now small village was a large, significant medieval town,
the opposite to what is happening in many places now.

keepingquiet

MaizieD

In the NE it's a village established long before mining settlements (which we have in abundance) were built in the 19th century; full of attractive stone built housing, which are highly sought after and very expensive. There are a couple near me...

So it's just a village then. Most villages existed before the advent of mining. Where I live in the north of England we don't have middle-class villages, just villages that have some middle-class people living in them.

Well, actually, keepingquiet, most villages didn't exist in my part of the NE before the advent of mining. There weren't enough people in the area to need villages.

For example, the very small town up the road from me had a mill and scattered farms until the 1840s. The village down the road from me didn't exist at all on the 18thC enclosure award map.

You can always tell the older villages because they have a mediaeval church. There aren't a great many of them.

I'm a bit of a local history buff...

MaizieD

In the NE it's a village established long before mining settlements (which we have in abundance) were built in the 19th century; full of attractive stone built housing, which are highly sought after and very expensive. There are a couple near me...

So it's just a village then. Most villages existed before the advent of mining. Where I live in the north of England we don't have middle-class villages, just villages that have some middle-class people living in them.

Developers always grub up trees before they start building🤬

People in the South are no more ‘ precious ‘ about new build housing than those in the North.

theworriedwell

David49

Nimbyism is alive and well here, I don’t normally get involved in local politics, other than being nice to councillors but I did go to one meeting focused on a new road plan.
The consensus was, yes, we need a road as long as it doesn’t come any where near us. The same with new housing, not in our back yard, it happens to be the wealthiest part of town they have all done their extensions, nothing else must change.

No objections to new houses here but if you need to widen the road why do it on the side where people are living and there are beautiful trees when you could just do it on the other side where everything was being flattened?

It’s a large scheme the alternative is close to a new housing estate where there aren’t any residents to object yet, doesn’t affect me either way

Maybe, I would be interested to hear if that is the case, I have lived in various parts of the NE all my life.

Galaxy

Sorry Maizie didn't specifically say that but was talking along similar lines

Perhaps the divide is not quite so obvious in other parts of the UK.

Sorry Maizie didn't specifically say that but was talking along similar lines

It is a village which has expensive properties and none or very few areas of deprivation. Peopke tend to try to get their children into the village schools. As Maizie mentions in the NE there are also many ex mining villages where there is considerable deprivation, the middle class tend not to move to those areas. The differences in areas can be very apparent.