Now we are beginning to understand why the international rule of law is so important.

issibon

UK has already been invaded
Invaders everywhere in hotels HMOs

Oh, behave 🙄

LemonJam

DiamondLily 16.51 - it’s your opinion that no one of any relevance seems to obey international law and on that basis it’s useless.
I don’t share your view.

Neither can share this view, however there’s no doubt that some pretty big players totally running roughshod over I.L.

DiamondLily 16.51 - it’s your opinion that no one of any relevance seems to obey international law and on that basis it’s useless.
I don’t share your view.

It might be important, but as no one with any relevance seems to be obeying it, it’s pretty useless. 🤷‍♀️

Galaxy 12.14

Yes- King John of England sealed the Magna Carter under duress from his rebellious barons- who were angered by his heavy taxes to fund foreign wars and his abuse of feudal rights. It forced King John to agree to limits on royal power and guarantees of justice and fair trial for free men.

The MC established the principle that no one, not even the King, is above the law....

It was the Barons against the King, forcing him to reduce his power and give some to them.

International law is important. if that's what you are saying DAR, I agree.

Wasn't the magna carta signed after considerable violence. It was an armed uprising wasn't it.

Maremia

It is important DAR, and we should try to hold onto it while we can.

I'm sorry Maremia, I don't understand. I don't think, (if that's what you mean) I said international law wasn't important. Quite the reverse. I was trying to bring us back on topic.

Sometimes you fail. Sometimes others are intent on trying to make you fail.

OP- "Do we now understand the need for the international rule of law and why it is so important to everyone on this earth".

The international rule of law - i.e. a form of words- following WW2 achieved peace in Europe for many years.

Trump's current use of might, "playing fast and loose with the world order", may achieve his short term goals. That is until his electorate tire of the short term, arguable "gains/wins".

There will then follow a form of words to achieve some semblance of a return to social order- valued by so many. Words as ever more powerful and sustaining.

It is important DAR, and we should try to hold onto it while we can.

Whilst I think it makes a better story, I think the timings regarding Herod (who was undoubtedly a murderous abd vile person) are wrong DaisyAnneReturns.

It doesn't matter Oreo. Please don't spend your time on it for my sake. Others chose to make this about religion. I was merely acknowledging that, and trying to pull the thread back to the point made in the OP. That we are "beginning to understand why the international rule of law is so important".

Oreo

But in the short term, where territory is concerned then the sword wins every time.A follow up by the pen can either cement that or make people uneasy.
It’s a dog eat dog world however different we would prefer it to be.

You must have a copy of Project 2025 at home.

The written word is more effective than short term violence as a means for social or political change.

But in the short term, where territory is concerned then the sword wins every time.A follow up by the pen can either cement that or make people uneasy.
It’s a dog eat dog world however different we would prefer it to be.

While a sword conquers territory, a pen can conquer hearts and minds, influencing societies more profoundly than temporary military might.

Words can inspire revolutions ( like Martin Luther King) or establish fundamental laws ( like the Magna Carter).

Maremia

It all depend on which holds sway in a particular situation.
Is it 'might is right'?
Or, the 'pen is mightier than the sword'?

The pen is never mightier than the sword tho is it?

NotSpaghetti

Oreo
I may be wrong here but I thought the idea that they were merchants was no longer thought accurate.
I think it's now thought they would have travelled with merchants for both supplies and to increase protection.

The Magi were people from a very specific, elite hereditary priestly caste from ancient Persia/Media ... a sort of (royal) scientist-monk.

Whilst I think it makes a better story, I think the timings regarding Herod (who was undoubtedly a murderous abd vile person) are wrong DaisyAnneReturns.
I'd have to look the dates up though!

I think the origins are too far in the misty past NotSpaghetti to be really sure of who they were.

It all depend on which holds sway in a particular situation.
Is it 'might is right'?
Or, the 'pen is mightier than the sword'?

Oreo
I may be wrong here but I thought the idea that they were merchants was no longer thought accurate.
I think it's now thought they would have travelled with merchants for both supplies and to increase protection.

The Magi were people from a very specific, elite hereditary priestly caste from ancient Persia/Media ... a sort of (royal) scientist-monk.

Whilst I think it makes a better story, I think the timings regarding Herod (who was undoubtedly a murderous abd vile person) are wrong DaisyAnneReturns.
I'd have to look the dates up though!

It wants to prevent but it can’t when push comes to shove.

I agree, their decision was pragmatic. But that pragmatism arises when power isn’t constrained by law. In a system governed by predictable rules, you don’t have to calculate whether obeying an authority might get you killed or imprisoned. The fact that they had to go home another way illustrates the cost of rule by fear rather than rule by law. This is what international law tries to prevent.

The wise men or kings were likely to have been wealthy merchants or similar but they were wise indeed to avoid possible death, injury or imprisonment by going home another way.

Interestingly, the Epiphany story that many Christians are marking at the moment touches on something relevant here.

The Wise Men were foreigners, crossing borders, guided by a shared understanding of signs and authority rather than force. When they encountered Herod’s abuse of power, they chose not to cooperate with it and returned home “by another way”. Even in that ancient story, we see the tension between legitimate authority, tyranny, and the moral obligation not to assist injustice; which is very much what the international rule of law is meant to address.

I doubt many have read or are even aware of what the 10 commandments are, sadly . Thanks easybee, to me it is very clear .