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Is it wrong to identify as something you aren’t?

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Mollygo Mon 05-Jan-26 18:54:58

Jonathan Carley has upset people by dishonestly identifying as Rear Admiral and wearing apparel to support his claims.

He’s been arrested and fined.

The judge said your actions totally disrespected all those who have fought
and those legally entitled to claim the title.

Is there a lesson here?

Maremia Sun 11-Jan-26 17:50:55

When did I talk about artists?

My point is when people give reasons why people offend, in an attempt to understand why they take those actions/ those choices, I do not accept that those reasons should be dismissed as 'excuses'.
Attempting to dismiss reasons as 'excuses', seems to me to be an attempt to close down discussion.
Is that clearer now?
Again thanks Doodledog.

Maremia Sun 11-Jan-26 17:52:45

Simply by your post at 11.05.
My apologies, if I misunderstood.

Maremia Sun 11-Jan-26 17:53:09

That was to Mollygo.

Mollygo Sun 11-Jan-26 18:07:10

But I find your “reasons” equally an attempt to shut down discussions.

To explain this, just try

Some people give the reason that GP is a famous person for allowing some of his unacceptable actions.

Some people use the excuse that GP is a famous person for allowing some of his unacceptable actions.
I’m not sure why you see one as a discussion stopper, but not the other.


Not sure how you see one as more of a

Doodledog Sun 11-Jan-26 18:38:00

Maremia

Thanks Doodledog, but when did I post about men dressing as women?

I don't know grin. I didn't suggest that you had.

Primrose53 Sun 11-Jan-26 22:08:08

He reportedly told neighbours that he worked for NATO and was spying on Russians. He had been photographed at previous Remembrance ceremonies wearing the uniform and all the medals.

Just been reading that he took the suit to a tailor to have the Admiral stripes put on. He was never in the navy but once worked with cadets when he was a teacher.

Esmay Mon 12-Jan-26 02:48:43

I'm not even vaguely surprised to read about this guy pretending to be an admiral and a spy.
I dont even think that it's unusual.
Certainly there's a lot of elaborate embroidery on the Internet.
The biggest liar that I've encountered was introduced to me as the perfect gentleman by an old friend and neighbour .
He seemed very nice when our relationship tentatively began on the phone for several weeks until we met up.
And when we finally met up he love bombed and proposed to me.
I was like a young giddy girl with my head filled with all kinds of nonsense.
One of my friends,who doesn't mince words told me that he seemed to good to be true.
How right she was .
He said that he was a film director /producer and had a string of Baftas.
I believed him .
Then overnight , he lost control and turned into a foul tempered,highly abusive drunk and the incredible tissue of lies was exposed .

petra Mon 12-Jan-26 12:52:04

I nominate Trump as someone masquerading as someone they’re not.
Just for laughs😂

www.facebook.com/reel/1471260204021954

Daddima Wed 14-Jan-26 11:57:01

M0nica

Identifying means that you really think you are what you identify as, and I would expect it to infuse you whole life.

Pretending is just that pretending to be something that you know you are not and only at specific times and in specific cases.

In this case dressing up as a high ranking naval officer at Remembrance parades.

Like a person suffering from anorexia nervosa is ‘identifying’ as fat?

LemonJam Wed 14-Jan-26 13:55:58

A person suffering from anorexia nervosa will often identify as fat and feel that they are overweight, even when they are severely or dangerously underweight. Known as body image disturbance or body dysmorphia...

Maremia Wed 14-Jan-26 14:01:56

petra, may I second your proposal?

Maremia Wed 14-Jan-26 14:07:18

There is also the psychological condition, 'imposter syndrome '.

Mollygo Wed 14-Jan-26 15:06:15

LemonJam

A person suffering from anorexia nervosa will often identify as fat and feel that they are overweight, even when they are severely or dangerously underweight. Known as body image disturbance or body dysmorphia...

According to the NHS, Anorexia nervosa (often called anorexia) is an eating disorder and serious mental health condition.

A lot of people identifying as something they’re not, adamantly deny that they are suffering from a mental illness.

lainieb56 Wed 14-Jan-26 19:53:58

People seem to identify with whatever they like these days, and are annoyed and cause havoc if they aren't seen as such.
It's a mixed up world. no one seems to know who or what they are. Gender has become a thing of the past.
Be who you want to be!
And I have no problem with that ( well maybe a small problem), , but I can't be expected to submit to all the new norms at the drop.of a hat, if I don't even know what they are.