Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Oreo

But you were dismissive Westendgirl or don’t you see that?
Yes I agree with Starfire and her comments on here are always polite too.She is far less dismissive than very many posters btw and explains her reasoning.
I have very little time for DT but then I had very little time for Biden either.
Trump said before he was elected that the administration would go after illegal immigrants in the country and he was elected.Now he’s doing it.

Thank you Oreo , for your support and common sense posts.

It is disturbing people are so willing to buy into the media hysteria which ,in reality, is an attempt for democrats to win the midterms and later the White House.

They mislead with terms like fascism and dictator; and outright misrepresented things to sound worse than they are.

I cannot tell you how many times I read claims of actual citizens being deported. That is impossible in our system.

All part of the game.

Didn’t realise that the UK and USA were so closely aligned…. And who is plummeting faster?MaizieD

Oreo

How about posters not dismissing Starfire57 then? It works both ways you know.
And do you know what the population of the US is? So anecdotes about some relatives of posters don’t mean much.

Voting figures tell me that just over half of those who voted didn't vote for Trump.

Looking at eligible voters, some 69 million didn't register and of those who did, 17 million didn't vote.

Which kind of says that out of the US population of about 340 million, fewer voters registered approval of Trump than those who didn't and those who didn't vote. Which makes anti Trump anecdotes from US friends and family perfectly reasonable.

His approval rating is also dropping in the polls.

westendgirl

Oreo , do you have need to be so dismissive? I can see that you are a great supporter of Starfire's reasoning . O.K. that's your viewpoint, mine is different, as are the viewpoints of other Americans we have on here.

In fact, despite the assumption that we Brits, don’t understand the USA legal or government system, might like to recall that there are a good few American citizens on this site, along with many Brits who have family and close friends living in the USA.

I think most of have a fair grasp of the system, even if we didn’t most of us recognise the difference between right and wrong, please, don’t be so patronising.

StoneofDestiny

So - all you Trump apologists who think the woman should just obey the ‘law enforcers’ or expect to be shot and killed - here we have Trump saying directly to the protesters in Iran ”keep protesting “

So - one rule for US inhabitants and another for Iranians?

In addition - Trump ready to wade in to defend Iranians being slaughtered, but not Palestinians who were being slaughtered? Wonder why?

Sooner Trump goes, the better for the whole world (that he thinks he owns!). The sooner we in Europe tell him to do his worst with his sanctions and we in Europe stick together and defend Denmark/Greenland and support Ukraine the better!

Well said!

Oreo

But you were dismissive Westendgirl or don’t you see that?
Yes I agree with Starfire and her comments on here are always polite too.She is far less dismissive than very many posters btw and explains her reasoning.
I have very little time for DT but then I had very little time for Biden either.
Trump said before he was elected that the administration would go after illegal immigrants in the country and he was elected.Now he’s doing it.

Well, tbf, your comments don’t often back up your assertion that you have “little time for Trump”

I do agree that Biden was weak, too old and clearly towards the end of his term, too unwell, but I don’t think for one moment he did half the damage Trump has done this term, I simply cannot understand ANYONE who feels his aggression, lies and lunacy are fit for a POTUS. he, too is now too old.

But you were dismissive Westendgirl or don’t you see that?
Yes I agree with Starfire and her comments on here are always polite too.She is far less dismissive than very many posters btw and explains her reasoning.
I have very little time for DT but then I had very little time for Biden either.
Trump said before he was elected that the administration would go after illegal immigrants in the country and he was elected.Now he’s doing it.

Oreo , do you have need to be so dismissive? I can see that you are a great supporter of Starfire's reasoning . O.K. that's your viewpoint, mine is different, as are the viewpoints of other Americans we have on here.

Just say there are those who voted for Trump and those who didn’t and those who like him and those who don’t.Even some of the ones who don’t like him don’t necessarily disagree with all his policies and vice versa.

How about posters not dismissing Starfire57 then? It works both ways you know.
And do you know what the population of the US is? So anecdotes about some relatives of posters don’t mean much.

Starfire pleas do not dismiss other people's points of view because they do not agree with you. Some of us know or have family in the US and we are getting a much different picture from the one you paint.

Iam64

* people are nuts in the US *

Well, what an interesting take on your own country Starfire57. I expect ‘some posters’ might agree that it’s just a tad crazy to elect the Donald

No, I'm talking about the people who are easily freaked out over the media circus and some of them act like they are going to take on the whole government or beat up/burn down anyone who gets in their way.

They are violent and irrational. And it's a shame because it puts shade on peaceful protest.

Maybe I've watched too many videos of "protesters" throwing things at people, fighting, setting fires and trying to hit people with things. Just saw a video where a journalist's car was surrounded (guess he was a conservative reporter) and they were hitting his car, blocking him from leaving.

Good thing he found a break to escape, otherwise he might have been on the news as a reporter trying to run over peaceful protestors.

Dang those media outlets (few indeed) not afraid to show the crazies in their frenzy of F bombs and throwing stuff at everything.

Well Biden was just as much a mystery Iam64
Joking apart, I hope the USA works out how to protect both demonstrators and law enforcement officers better. The current system needs a rethink. A 6 year old boy has lost both his mother and father and that seems very unfair. Yes there is a right to demonstrate but the price needs to change.

Syracute

www.nilc.org/articles/ice-is-detaining-indiscriminately-and-releasing-almost-no-one/

This disputes Starfire assertions.

Well, I guess you didn't read the links I provided on the limited rights of illegal aliens. Not to mention, your link is full of misinformation; no US citizen is left in detention and not able to get out.

If they are indeed a citizen, they cannot be deported for god's sake.

The misinformation is astounding and people just believe it.

* people are nuts in the US *

Well, what an interesting take on your own country Starfire57. I expect ‘some posters’ might agree that it’s just a tad crazy to elect the Donald

Let us not forget that we are all human beings and giving the label illegals is a triggering for many here on this thread despite this Starfire continues to use this term favored by the tight wing to dehumanize people.
Heritage is a very conservative right wing group.

Syracute

These prosectors disagree with Starfire and are disgusted by Trumps heavy handed tactics.

apnews.com/video/justice-department-prosecutors-resign-amid-turmoil-over-minnesota-ice-shooting-investigation-a197bf1020264f16a4ac0d6319785c50

Disagree? Most likely afraid to get involved.

People are nuts in the US; they try to kill Trump twice and shoot conservatives like Charlie Kirk, you don't think they go after anyone they can if they don't get what they want?

www.nilc.org/articles/ice-is-detaining-indiscriminately-and-releasing-almost-no-one/

This disputes Starfire assertions.

These prosectors disagree with Starfire and are disgusted by Trumps heavy handed tactics.

apnews.com/video/justice-department-prosecutors-resign-amid-turmoil-over-minnesota-ice-shooting-investigation-a197bf1020264f16a4ac0d6319785c50

This is also some useful information on the subject that illegals have very limited rights and that immigration hearings are civil, not criminal thus not subject to have a jury of peers and the act of deportation is a civil court remedy rather than a punishment.

Also, immigration law is if an illegal does commit a crime, deportation is warranted.

www.heritage.org/border-security/report/due-process-and-aliens-what-they-are-and-are-not-entitled-immigration

Be interested to read the “due process” those being shot are getting.

At the very least their children should receive financial aid until they are of an age to support themselves after college.

I thought many of them are whisked abroad?

Here is a description of the due process that illegals receive and also, their rights.

www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-happens-when-undocumented-immigrant-is-caught.html?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&utm_campaign=cj_affiliate_sale&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=cj&utm_content=5250933&utm_term=12360908&cjevent=f5baee80f11c11f0801a00960a1cb828&PCN=Microsoft+Shopping+%28Bing+Rebates%2C+Coupons%2C+etc.%29&PID=100357191&data=source:cj_affiliate|CID:5250933|PID:100357191

Maremia

Has anyone every actually witnessed, online, in MSM or anywhere, this legal due process that Starfire is describing?

Um they don't allow cameras and reporters into average court rooms in our country.

However, the news reports on some judgements, if they are newsworthy, such as reporting if a detained person had been convicted of a crime before or had deportation orders from a judge.

Has anyone every actually witnessed, online, in MSM or anywhere, this legal due process that Starfire is describing?