Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

The attack in the Op is not the only one happening. Today www.facebook.com/AltUSNationalParkService posted a detailed account of another (it is currently at the top of the page linked to). It starts ^"Good morning,
My name is Brandon Siguenza, and I am a US citizen from Minneapolis. Yesterday, while doing legal observation, ICE stopped their cars to harass my friend and me. . . . "^ and is an account by a young man in Minneapolis. Among the comments is a link to another page which has several videos of Ice attacks.

StoneofDestiny yesterday 23.22- what uncanny similarities between the words of AH and Trump.

Hitler was not the only fascist leader in history. Mussolini- Italy, Dollfuss in Austria, Franco in Spain, Salazar in Portugal, Oswald Mosley in Britain etc.

They all shared several characteristics- they sourced their political strength from populations experiencing economic woes, real or imagined; immigrants, leftists and other groups become useful scapegoats. Redirecting their anger towards these people would, in their theory, rid a country of its ailments. To unify a country fascist movements propagate extreme nationalism that goes hand in hand with militarism and racial purity.

ICE, its strengthening by Trump, its incursion into democratic leader states, its actions, and this ICE officers killing raise those concerns for some..

Those fascist characteristics many on this thread see in Trump No one thus far has been willing to provide a counter argument that Trump does NOT show these fascist characteristics, instead tells them they are wrong, making comments such as "Fascism is thrown around so often now it's lost all meaning"- yesterday 11.14.

Thankfully it has not lost its meaning for the majority. Starfire57- what meaning does fascism have for you if any?

Oreo, I know of many of them. However if someone on tv had commented on a topic of interest, I would look them up to find out who they were.

It’s not our responsibility, but some clue or directions would help. If you are to just tear ideas down but don’t have a clue what instead… I guess I have no idea at all what you might mean?

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Oreo

I think you may be looking for something else DAR

No idea what that thats meant to mean but there is a chat thread for those who don't want issues to be examined, but just want to have their say.

Syracute 8.50 and 8.52 👍 its good to see the legal pushback on the legalities of this ICE immigration raid.

Syracute

www.cnn.com/2026/01/13/us/minnesota-illinois-lawsuits-trump-immigration

So now there is legal pushback on the legalities of these raids and how they are conducted.

www.cnn.com/2026/01/13/us/minnesota-illinois-lawsuits-trump-immigration

Galaxy

I watched Ed Balls yesterday trying to compare Iran to America, I just don't know if these people realise how ridiculous they sound and how untrustworthy.
If people want to call Trump a fascist / Hitler then go for it, it is one if the least successful strategies I have seen.
What the opposition need to do ( and I know that's not the responsibility if people on here) is put forward an alternative that resonanates with people, tell an alternative 'story' but there is no sign of that.

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Grandmabatty

If you don't know who someone is, either inform yourself or don't comment.

Do you know all the US politicians?

I think you may be looking for something else DAR

Oreo

Cossy

Galaxy we must agree to disagree, which is fine

If only everyone could do the same instead of producing reams of stuff to prove how their own views are right and anyone who disagrees needs to produce even more reams of evidence it would be a very good thing.

That's a discussion. A discussion is typically a more formal, focused exchange, while a chat is a casual, informal conversation often about a variety of topics with no particular aim. I think you may be looking for a "chat" rather than a discussion.

If you don't know who someone is, either inform yourself or don't comment.

Galaxy

I watched Ed Balls yesterday trying to compare Iran to America, I just don't know if these people realise how ridiculous they sound and how untrustworthy.
If people want to call Trump a fascist / Hitler then go for it, it is one if the least successful strategies I have seen.
What the opposition need to do ( and I know that's not the responsibility if people on here) is put forward an alternative that resonanates with people, tell an alternative 'story' but there is no sign of that.

Really? Don't know who Ed Balls is,, but it's absolutely astonishing anyone would even take him seriously.

Mamie

Starfire57 you do realise that the vast majority of people on this forum for Grandparents are British don't you?
I suspect many of us will have had parents and siblings who understood the consequences of the fight against Facism by direct experience of fighting, or the deprivations of life on the Home Front and bombing.
This thread demonstrates that people are very concerned about recent events in America. Inevitably, you will have a different point of view, which you have already made very clear.

Of course although not many who had the experience first hand are still alive. My dad died at 91 years old almost 10 years ago.

My father was stationed in Guam and on the way to Guam, they stopped at Pearl Harbor; the destruction and death were still pretty fresh. He said he remembered it like yesterday, but he'd like to forget it.

Yet modern Nazis did not bother him. Because he never bought into media hysteria and neither do I.

What does scare me are the gangs, the criminals freely sneaking into this country. Many of the ones they have caught were rapists and murderers. But how many more still out there I wonder.

Getting back to the ICE shooting, that same officer was dragged by a car trying to escape a year ago and he had 30 stitches. So maybe his point of view is also very different than either of ours!

Galaxy

I watched Ed Balls yesterday trying to compare Iran to America, I just don't know if these people realise how ridiculous they sound and how untrustworthy.
If people want to call Trump a fascist / Hitler then go for it, it is one if the least successful strategies I have seen.
What the opposition need to do ( and I know that's not the responsibility if people on here) is put forward an alternative that resonanates with people, tell an alternative 'story' but there is no sign of that.

What would your alternative story be Galaxy? I realise that is a complex and difficult question, but a few pointers would help.

Starfire57 you do realise that the vast majority of people on this forum for Grandparents are British don't you?
I suspect many of us will have had parents and siblings who understood the consequences of the fight against Facism by direct experience of fighting, or the deprivations of life on the Home Front and bombing.
This thread demonstrates that people are very concerned about recent events in America. Inevitably, you will have a different point of view, which you have already made very clear.

I watched Ed Balls yesterday trying to compare Iran to America, I just don't know if these people realise how ridiculous they sound and how untrustworthy.
If people want to call Trump a fascist / Hitler then go for it, it is one if the least successful strategies I have seen.
What the opposition need to do ( and I know that's not the responsibility if people on here) is put forward an alternative that resonanates with people, tell an alternative 'story' but there is no sign of that.

I don't think think not liking certain nationalities or mocking disabled people is 'like Hitler'. I am not having a go at Cossy but it is just not a descriptor of what happened in Germany.
I could if I wanted compare a range of policies from other people to fascist like behaviour.
Threatening to ban social media.
Medical experiments on children with autism.
Reducing jury trials.
It isn't difficult but it isn't accurate.

Mamie

Given the discussion about Facism, have people read the Richard J Evans trilogy The Origins of the Third Reich? The first book, The Coming of the Third Reich, is particularly relevant to the world today.
I think there is a lot of truth in the idea that as the reality of living under and/or fighting Fascism fades from living memory; the greater the danger of its return.
Hearing first hand the stories of the elderly people in my Normandy village, of the years of occupation, the battles of 1944 and liberation by the Canadians has been one of the great privileges of my life.

Well, one of my privileges was my parents; my dad who was not even 18 yet volunteered after Pearl Harbor to join the Army Air Corps and my mom who worked in the factories making parts for the military. They didn't meet until long after the war.

During a visit to see my parents, before Trump ran for president, my dad was watching the evening news and it was showing some of the modern Nazi groups marching down a street. He looked at me and said who are those people?

I said, they are some Nazi group. He literally laughed and said oh they just think they are, I saw the real ones and they are not it.

He paid it no mind, because he knew like most of us that fascism can never be in our country. It was tried once, all that time ago in WWII and it failed miserably.

Now, you would think he'd be worried, right? But since he had been part of that era, he knew the difference in then and now.

I figure if he wasn't worried then why should I. Maybe we should just stop listening to CNN and MSNBC and all the others trying to make money off our fear....

I mean, it's obvious. All the articles, the media, the politicians, etc. are just living it up keeping us divided and fearful.

Flying in their private jets while telling us we shouldn't drive, making us feel guilty for a past we were not alive to see so we vote a certain way.

Telling us we are bigots if we don't like certain things so called marginalized people might do, whether it's lawful or not, whether it's fair or not. Watching people be favored because they are of any of those marginalized groups and still seeing them claim marginalization.

It's old and it's done.

Equality means equal opportunity. Not equal outcome nor does it provide favoritism to make up for the past. Nobody living today should pay for that.

Given the discussion about Facism, have people read the Richard J Evans trilogy The Origins of the Third Reich? The first book, The Coming of the Third Reich, is particularly relevant to the world today.
I think there is a lot of truth in the idea that as the reality of living under and/or fighting Fascism fades from living memory; the greater the danger of its return.
Hearing first hand the stories of the elderly people in my Normandy village, of the years of occupation, the battles of 1944 and liberation by the Canadians has been one of the great privileges of my life.

petra

Starfire57
Surely you must realise that these Anchor babies have been subsidising your cheap food through their low paid long hours jobs.

www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

This is a common misconception. Labor only accounts for around 9% of total food costs.

But doesn't matter. We don't need anchor babies as there are enough legal immigrants to do jobs. And surprisingly, white people too. Because homelessness is growing and work is work.....

Which brings me to something nobody seems to think about...

My mom had a legal immigrant family from Mexico in her neighborhood. The husband was a construction worker and part of the union. He was skilled and got a good hourly pay.

So one day she's talking to my mom and said she fears they will not be able to keep their home. Apparently, her husband was losing work to the illegals working under the table.

So the idea that it's just straight white males who won't do the work, and they are complaining anyway, is not based in reality.

There are plenty of white men willing to work these jobs that people claim they are not willing to work.

And, legal , decent immigrants now are facing the same exact thing , when an illegal person takes their jobs from them.

We have spoke to legal immigrants. They are offended by the line jumpers getting special treatment while the legal ones go through so much.

And these line jumpers are causing a backlog. Another reason why legal immigration takes so long and is so hard when the system is constantly trying to deal with those who feel they can do whatever they want.

How very true

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