Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Syracute

With the soon ending of this thread I do hope to see justice for Renee Good and her family. I know it will take time but I do think the truth of her tragic last day will come to light.

It’s bound to as there’s plenty of video images with sound. Ultimately tho it will be a matter of what’s lawful and what isn’t.
Which will be decided on points of law.

This particular event was of interest as are any unsettling or criminal acts such as school shootings, but medicaid?

With the soon ending of this thread I do hope to see justice for Renee Good and her family. I know it will take time but I do think the truth of her tragic last day will come to light.

Why would anyone other than US GN members be interested in internal affairs there? Are we interested in France’s internal affairs or anywhere else? I think the preoccupation with DT is going a bit far now.
His foreign policies are the only ones that need concern us, and there’s plenty of them.

One of the points of value of this thread has been an opportunity to look at matters happening internally, as opposed to Trumps dramatic foreign policies.

How are his diktats affecting life for those on medicaid, obtaining justice when courts are in turmoil and tied up with political not civil matters...what is actually happening in communities that relied on cheap incomers work? Who is standing up to Trump and how?

Perhaps one of us can find a starting point for these issues? Foggy brain here atm.

This Thread will close soon as we are on page 39. Hope there will be justice for Renee Good.

You get to know some of the Posters. There are folk on here whose posts I seek out.

Cossy 08..36

After Starfire admitted yesterday she formed her incorrect opinion based on a “misquoted article” she’d read without bothering to read the actual federal court document link posted- I came to the same conclusion as you.

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imaround

That is not at all what I am saying. Hope that helps.

Sure sounded like it. My bad.

I wonder if Trump will now 'pardon' her? He has form for that

That is not at all what I am saying. Hope that helps.

imaround

"The Trump administration has justified its ongoing immigration crackdown in Minnesota by citing a need to curb fraud and pointing to a widening scandal involving members of the Somali American community. Yet prosecutors say the mastermind of the state's biggest fraud scheme to date was not Somali but a White woman — 45-year-old Aimee Bock.

In an exclusive interview from her jail cell, Bock defended her conduct, admitted regrets and argued that state officials who she worked with should bear some of the blame. It was the first time Bock spoke publicly since she was arrested for her role in what prosecutors say was a $250 million COVID-era effort to defraud a federal program to feed hungry children."

www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mastermind-minnesotas-biggest-fraud-scheme-125119343.html

You are literally saying then, the white woman who btw didn't get away with anything and is in jail, justifies letting Somali's continue to defraud, steal and continue illegally being in the country?

It's mind boggling the "whataboutisms" used to justify what the rest of the criminals are doing. I guess white women are the only ones who should pay for their crimes then.

Then it's going to be a terrible mess because of those morons thinking every deportation was of a sweet old grandpa or dad. So many already caught had warrants out for child molestation and a few had homicides. They ignored deportation orders for years, now hell has come to pay.

I hope this does not end with more lives lost if it becomes a huge mess.

LemonJam

Stafire 00. .31 "I have discovered the article I read clearly misquoted the judge being a state judge. However, still, the order means nothing if the protesters are not protesting peacefully and are obstructing"

Thanks for explaining you read a mis quoted articles and that formed your opinion. However the link on Gransnet told us on the first page of the court document that this was a Federal case in a Federal Court and the defendants were Federal organisations and federal officers including ICE.

Therefore ICE officers in Minnesota must comply with the order, act within the law and can be sued as non compliant with this order if not. They need to secure evidence to prove they are acting within the law in cases where protestors may take legal action against DHS / any individual ICE officer to defend their actions therefore.

For example- in this case the defence put forward by the Dept Homeland Security/ICE was that ICE officers: stopped/arrested/pepper sprayed / pointed firearms at etc the various protesters because they were "protesting violently" and the officers had a reasonable suspicion that they had "probable cause" to do so under 18 USC section 111 as it is a crime to "forcibly assault, resist, impede or intimidate or interfere with a Federal Officer engaged in the performance of their duties".

However ICE provided no evidence to support their allegations against the protesters. There was no evidence put forward that they were protesting violently within the definition of the law. The judge found the ICE officers allegations were contradicted by evidence available including video evidence. There was no evidence that any officers had been "forcibly assaulted, intimidated, interfered with etc" by the protestors

Regarding Renee Good's fatal shooting, I have seen no evidence that she "forcibly assaulted, interfered with, intimidated" etc ICE officers such that they had a reasonable belief that she was committing a crime under 18 USC section 111 law, such that it was reasonable to shoot her directly at close range.

The investigation report, if made available to the public, will prove interesting reading.

No matter WHAT article I read, it still literally means nothing. As long as these protesters continue to block the street so officers cannot get to their targets, as long as they throw things, physically try to impede, attack, or take over in areas of operations, then they WILL be arrested for obstruction.

The order simply stated the obvious, non violent, non obstructive peaceful protesters will not be harmed or bothered with. as the ones that have been so far were actively trying to obstruct and intimidate.

This was already their orders, for god sakes; the judge was engaging in political theater and everyone thinks that's going to stop the deportations and arrests for obstruction.....it's not.

Not at all.

If the protesters get emboldened by the order, which they might, then Trump will invoke insurrection and then that will be a done deal.

Quote Maremia Tue 20-Jan-26 12:24:41
"Intimidated, is that now a legal reason to shoot someone?
If that 'intimidates' him, he is in the wrong job".

I agree with you Maremia. 18 USC section 111 law, gives the ICE officers powers to stop and arrest if they have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed under that law. It does not give ICE jurisdiction or a licence to kill and fatally shoot at close range.

"The Trump administration has justified its ongoing immigration crackdown in Minnesota by citing a need to curb fraud and pointing to a widening scandal involving members of the Somali American community. Yet prosecutors say the mastermind of the state's biggest fraud scheme to date was not Somali but a White woman — 45-year-old Aimee Bock.

In an exclusive interview from her jail cell, Bock defended her conduct, admitted regrets and argued that state officials who she worked with should bear some of the blame. It was the first time Bock spoke publicly since she was arrested for her role in what prosecutors say was a $250 million COVID-era effort to defraud a federal program to feed hungry children."

www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mastermind-minnesotas-biggest-fraud-scheme-125119343.html

Intimidated, is that now a legal reason to shoot someone?
If that 'intimidates' him, he is in the wrong job.

Lemonjam I think you will find that driving off so close to someone does make a case ( in US law) for the ICE officer to say that he was intimidated.
It isn’t our law or our way of doing things but that isn’t relevant to the case.

Absolutely horrific and totally unwarranted-Trump and his lackies are evil. No other word for them.

Perhaps Trump should look, study and learn how to move not only the audience but the world by heartfelt oratory

He is not an orator, he is not inspiring and he's just not intelligent enough to string a coherent sentence together. So no, he will not be able to learn.

In fact, being an inspiring orator is not something people could learn even if they are highly intelligent.

Trump is lost in his own mind. He will not learn, he will not get better.
Dementia is sadly, at the moment, a one way journey.

A wonderful speech delivered by an amazing,inspirational man.

Perhaps Trump should look, study and learn how to move not only the audience but the world by heartfelt oratory. Does he not realise that instead of making America great again in the eyes of the world he is doing the exact opposite.

imaround

I can't not post this today, on MLK day here in the US. Especially with what is happening in Minnesota.

youtube.com/shorts/0hWykRZGoXE?si=fwV2sfA7Ut88nA5-

😢. And yet I am filled with admiration.

He spoke as if he knew his days were limited?

imaround 04.55 - thanks for posting. MLK powerful words.