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Perfidy on the High Seas

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Jan-26 03:56:26

It had to happen didn't it?

He is breaking every rule in the book, so why not deceit?

USA has used what looks like a civilian aircraft to attack and kill everyone on board.

In fact they went back and had another go at two survivors clinging to some wreckage and killed them - another war crime.

Trump and Netanyahu make a fine pair. War criminals United.

Maremia Tue 13-Jan-26 18:55:08

Hernandez was found guilty of drug trafficking, after a three week trial in a USA court.
No evidence was given by the White House when asked for proof of the alleged 'set up' by Biden

My goodness, what to believe?

Delila Tue 13-Jan-26 17:02:01

Oreo

I think if the boat had been an innocent fishing boat then the world would know by now.
These narco boats contain armed vicious men, don’t waste any tears on them.

I think if the boat had turned out to be an innocent fishing boat it’s very unlikely that the world would know by now.

Do you think Trump would tell us?

petra Tue 13-Jan-26 17:01:18

LemonJam

Ronib 15.09: 'Maybe Trump felt that the supply of cocaine had been sufficiently disrupted and that there were mitigating circumstances to pardon Hernandez. No idea. But the fact that Trump pardoned Hernandez doesn’t mean that he will be free to resume cocaine smuggling".

I guess there is data to show whether supply of cocaine has actually been sufficiently disrupted from Honduras to US? But I yes we are only to speculate on Trump's motives. Of course factually Hernandez is now to resume drug trafficking now out of prison but fingers crossed he won't.

I still think Trump issuing so many pardons to a significant number of drug traffickers is very strange and a contradictory message to send to the world at best.

The vast majority of drugs smuggled out of Columbia goes through the eastern pacific route, 74 %
Only 16% goes through the western Caribbean/ Atlantic route.
Trump’s invasion made no difference whatsoever.

AGAA4 Tue 13-Jan-26 16:37:39

Allira I did read your link and yes that is the way it should be done. The UK way.

LemonJam Tue 13-Jan-26 16:33:41

Ronib 15.09: 'Maybe Trump felt that the supply of cocaine had been sufficiently disrupted and that there were mitigating circumstances to pardon Hernandez. No idea. But the fact that Trump pardoned Hernandez doesn’t mean that he will be free to resume cocaine smuggling".

I guess there is data to show whether supply of cocaine has actually been sufficiently disrupted from Honduras to US? But I yes we are only to speculate on Trump's motives. Of course factually Hernandez is now to resume drug trafficking now out of prison but fingers crossed he won't.

I still think Trump issuing so many pardons to a significant number of drug traffickers is very strange and a contradictory message to send to the world at best.

Allira Tue 13-Jan-26 16:24:29

AGAA4

There are legal ways to combat drug smuggling and illegal ways. Trump opts for the latter.
We should always fight for the laws to be maintained otherwise we are little better than the criminals themselves.

There are legal ways to combat drug smuggling
Which is how the UK deal with it.

Cossy Tue 13-Jan-26 16:21:31

ronib

Mmm what do you assume the cargo is Cossy? Bananas?

Haha I cannot assume it’s anything actually, because I don’t know! There’s no real evidence that Trump knew, none he’s sharing anyway.

I was always taught, never assume, it make an ass out of u and me. Haha.

AGAA4 Tue 13-Jan-26 16:20:42

There are legal ways to combat drug smuggling and illegal ways. Trump opts for the latter.
We should always fight for the laws to be maintained otherwise we are little better than the criminals themselves.

Allira Tue 13-Jan-26 16:18:10

It would have been permissible to have boarded the ship if it was not flying a flag, I think, and inspected the cargo, to ascertain if it was legal or non-legal.

MaizieD Tue 13-Jan-26 16:11:34

ronib

Mmm what do you assume the cargo is Cossy? Bananas?

Fish?

Allira Tue 13-Jan-26 16:11:25

Cossy

David49

The boats are ordered to stop, they try to outrun the warship so it is assumed they are drug boats and they get sunk, sounds good to me

If I was ordered to stop, like any sensible person I would stop

Mmm It is assumed they are drug boats?

Where exactly are these boats ? International waters or USA waters?

International waters.

You see a plane which is camouflaged and you know not what it is or where it is from or what its intentions are, what would you do?
It's not so easy to stop a boat or ship either.

ronib Tue 13-Jan-26 15:57:22

Mmm what do you assume the cargo is Cossy? Bananas?

Cossy Tue 13-Jan-26 15:32:27

David49

The boats are ordered to stop, they try to outrun the warship so it is assumed they are drug boats and they get sunk, sounds good to me

If I was ordered to stop, like any sensible person I would stop

Mmm It is assumed they are drug boats?

Where exactly are these boats ? International waters or USA waters?

Allira Tue 13-Jan-26 15:22:54

Whitewavemark2

David49

The boats are ordered to stop, they try to outrun the warship so it is assumed they are drug boats and they get sunk, sounds good to me

If I was ordered to stop, like any sensible person I would stop

No ship can outrun an aeroplane.

it is assumed they are drug boats

Never assume anything, especially if it means lives are lost.

Allira Tue 13-Jan-26 15:21:42

Whitewavemark2

So those who are congratulating Trumps actions - can we assume that you are supportive of law breaking and anarchy?

Because that is what we are talking about.

As part of my working life I was active in the fight against the drug trade, cooperating with our European partners, but we always and still do work under the rule of law. I would never have had it any other way.

We are a civilised group of nations. Let’s keep it that way.

As part of my working life I was active in the fight against the drug trade
It does seem to me that, despite all our efforts, we were fighting a losing battle but the answer is not piracy on the high seas, shooting first, asking questions later.

ronib Tue 13-Jan-26 15:19:40

A quick google search suggests that Trump is keen to overturn Biden’s decisions and that Hernandez may have been harshly treated.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Jan-26 15:16:42

David49

The boats are ordered to stop, they try to outrun the warship so it is assumed they are drug boats and they get sunk, sounds good to me

If I was ordered to stop, like any sensible person I would stop

No ship can outrun an aeroplane.

ronib Tue 13-Jan-26 15:09:38

Maybe Trump felt that the supply of cocaine had been sufficiently disrupted and that there were mitigating circumstances to pardon Hernandez. No idea. But the fact that Trump pardoned Hernandez doesn’t mean that he will be free to resume cocaine smuggling. Strange occupation for a president ?

LemonJam Tue 13-Jan-26 14:59:11

Ronib 10.33 "The reasons for Trump’s actions seem highly laudable. Drugs kill many people".

Then why has Trump pardoned and granted pardons to a significant number of drug traffickers? E.g. just one recent example December 2025 Trump freed the former Honduras President Hernandez who had been convicted of helping smuggle more tha 400 tons of cocaine into the US.

David49 Tue 13-Jan-26 14:47:41

The boats are ordered to stop, they try to outrun the warship so it is assumed they are drug boats and they get sunk, sounds good to me

If I was ordered to stop, like any sensible person I would stop

ronib Tue 13-Jan-26 14:33:36

The legal point is that an aeroplane was camouflaged? But even if it had appeared in the sky without camouflage, and started to bomb the drug carrier for good reason, what is the difference?

Cossy Tue 13-Jan-26 14:26:37

Btw, I worked one day a week in a drug rehab unit, with or without violent drug smugglers, many people choose to misuse both legal and illegal drugs, that is a whole different thread for debate.

This thread isn’t about stopping or not stopping drug smuggling, it’s about the way in which it was done and whether that was legal.

Cossy Tue 13-Jan-26 14:23:13

ronib

Clearly all previous attempts to curb the illegal drug trade were not fully successful. So why not ramp up the enforcement process? It should have a net benefit? More people alive at the end of the day. Or do we all have to conform to denigrating Trump at every turn?

I’m not aware of the other previous actions Trump has taken to combat drug smuggling? Maybe you can point me to some of them?

Again, no one here has, to my knowledge, supported violent drug smugglers nor think no action should be taken.

ronib Tue 13-Jan-26 14:11:29

Clearly all previous attempts to curb the illegal drug trade were not fully successful. So why not ramp up the enforcement process? It should have a net benefit? More people alive at the end of the day. Or do we all have to conform to denigrating Trump at every turn?

Cossy Tue 13-Jan-26 13:54:34

ronib

What’s civilised about the number of deaths caused by illegal drug taking?

Again, no one here is saying drug smuggling is ok or that the smugglers are “civilised”

You’re simply deflecting Trump’s actions and normalising them.

WE are the civilised beings, yes, we should fight and stop wrong doing, but within the law.

How many more times are people going to justify killings and illegal actions, breaking international law, because it stops the bad people? Sounding more and more like Trump everyday