Robert Jenrick has been sacked

I'm late to the table on this but defecting politicians of any political party should have the courage of their convictions and face the electorate again. I would feel very let down if I voted for Conservative and then found I had a member of the Tory Party. Similarly if I voted Labour and they went over to the Green Party. The only place I might have some respect for them is if they were Independent but even then, I think you should have a voice about their new political persuasions. Let's face it, most people are voting for the party rather than the person.

It's a job and like many other folk a politician is entitled to change employment. Moving to another party does make a mockery of the election system in that Jenrick's constituents are now Reform supporters !

How many more Conservatives will desert to Reform this year I wonder?🤔

Starmer is no more a Marxist than me!! He is not the best but he has hit the ground running and working hard!
Nanna8 perhaps you didn’t know what we had to endure in the years leading up to Starmer becoming PM ? I would suggest that Truss, Cameron, Johnson, May have much more to answer for !
As for Jenrick, what a two faced, self centred , lying toad he is ! He is totally untrustworthy ! I feel for any constituency where their elected MP changes sides! They should be made to stand as independents or a by election should be held !

4allweknow

It's a job and like many other folk a politician is entitled to change employment. Moving to another party does make a mockery of the election system in that Jenrick's constituents are now Reform supporters !

No, this does not make Jenrick's constituents Reform supporters and yes, it does make a mockery out of the system that this can happen.

A politician is allowed to change jobs, yes, by resigning as an MP and taking IP a different career eg as a journalist, TV star on reality shows like Strictly, "Peace Envoy", pothole filler in chief.
We do need more pothole fillers.

No idea where IP came from! up

"He is not the best but he has hit the ground running and working hard!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Starmer is never here - 37 international trips. He would rather try to play the big statesman on the world stage than be concerned about what is happening in his own country.

sundowngirl

"He is not the best but he has hit the ground running and working hard!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Starmer is never here - 37 international trips. He would rather try to play the big statesman on the world stage than be concerned about what is happening in his own country.

I’m pretty sure that Starmer would wish world affairs to be less volatile so he could spend more time in this country. He works very hard at improving this countries relationships with other countries, some of which were damaged by the previous government eg Truss’s remark about France.

Sundown girl I have seen him at almost every PMQT so he is in the country for Wednesday !!!
Plus a world leader has to represent their country surely for specific events? I mean he didn’t go to FIFA for a peace prize did he ??
Doesn’t a PM delegate work to his cabinet ministers as do most heads of organisations delegate to heads of departments ! Just an observation

nanna8
Starmer was very left-wing in his youth, and edited a Trotskyist magazine, allegedly.
Many people are more radical in their youth. Most become less radical, more realistic as they get older, but not all.

However, he seems to have moved more to the centre now.
In fact, sometimes he seems to be unsure what ideology he represents.

sundowngirl

"He is not the best but he has hit the ground running and working hard!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Starmer is never here - 37 international trips. He would rather try to play the big statesman on the world stage than be concerned about what is happening in his own country.

Criticise Starmer for those things he has done wrong. Criticising him for representing the UK on the world stage in such volatile times is frankly silly. Any UK PM would be doing the same thing, and we would all be criticising them for dereliction of duty if they didn’t.

As if Reform wasn’t bad enough already with convicted felon MPs, Nigel Farage, and his band of hideous minions?

Starmer achieves little at these meetings except a collection of photographs shaking important people's hand.
There must be someone in the labour Party with a talent for world affairs, and understanding of the underlying politics, and the ability to work with others rather than simply toadying up to them.
I cannot think of anyone but then I have little knowledge of the Labour party apart from the doleful front bench, but I suspect Starmer does not encourage brains about him; they would show him up.

So he was part of a failed government but only admitted it was 'failed' after he left it? He is just another self serving lump who will trample on everybody and anybody to get power for his own ends. Like Farage, Jenrick has been caught with his hands dipping into public money he's not entitled to. Jenrick is joining the party that has become the last resting place of duplicitous rogues, friends of Russia and wealthy ex Tories who want to hang onto their money at all costs. They are as far removed from 'serving the public' as it's possible to get.

eazybee would you suggest that the UK PM should not be present at these meetings? Like it or lump it, he is the PM, and is doing what is expected of the PM in attending and representing the UK. What you think of him (or indeed the Labour Party) is in that respect, immaterial.

Not one of our Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet have any moral backbone. Meanwhile Reform use the same tactics used in 1930s Germany.
Read Sally Carson the Crooked Cross. Written in the 1930s.
Broad left coalition is the only thing that will stop all this scapegoating and toadying to Trump.
And then there’s Mogg asking for proof of treachery! Sickening.

Jenrick is the MP of one of my sons and DS has nothing good to say about him. As for saying that his defection has nothing to do with personal ambition .....! BTW I refuse to speak Farage's name in any other way than rhyming with 'Garidge'.

eazybee

Starmer achieves little at these meetings except a collection of photographs shaking important people's hand.
There must be someone in the labour Party with a talent for world affairs, and understanding of the underlying politics, and the ability to work with others rather than simply toadying up to them.
I cannot think of anyone but then I have little knowledge of the Labour party apart from the doleful front bench, but I suspect Starmer does not encourage brains about him; they would show him up.

So do you have inside information about what goes on behind the political international photo shoots to prove that all Starmer is doing is shaking hands and having his photo taken? Maybe diplomacy does look, on the surface, as toadying up to people.

Don't really care...lol More worried about Trump and Greenland etc

Susieq62

Sundown girl I have seen him at almost every PMQT so he is in the country for Wednesday !!!
Plus a world leader has to represent their country surely for specific events? I mean he didn’t go to FIFA for a peace prize did he ??
Doesn’t a PM delegate work to his cabinet ministers as do most heads of organisations delegate to heads of departments ! Just an observation

Exactly, this ‘never here Keir’ is a myth that is being perpetuated on social media along with the myth that he constantly lies and has broken all Labour’s manifesto pledges. I have challenged people on social media to give examples of the lies and broken manifesto promises and they either don’t reply or give responses that indicate they have no idea what was in the Labour manifesto. Another myth that is being perpetuated about him is that he failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile, that one was started by Boris Johnson.

Well, if it was started by Johnson, the Lying King, that says it all.

Stamer is doing what any responsible PM should do. He's representing the UK in International affairs that directly affect the security and economic prosperity of the country. He'd be criticised if he was not doing this.

Some of the previous comments feel like a very old-fashioned take on what a PM actually does. Like it or not, the UK isn’t operating in a vacuum, especially after Brexit. Rebuilding relationships, trade links, and trust with allies doesn’t happen over Zoom or from Westminster alone.

Calling it “photo opportunities” ignores how diplomacy works. A lot of it is about being present, having conversations, and being taken seriously again. Those meetings don’t produce instant headlines, but they do shape outcomes over time.

Sorry, I pressed the button too soon.

It’s not as if the country stops running because the PM is abroad for a few days. Government, Parliament, and departments carry on with domestic policy regardless. If anything, pretending international engagement doesn’t matter anymore just shows a lack of awareness of how interconnected politics is no

Not my morning! no now.