Suella leaves the Sinking Ship

Unless you are the same poster as before , and have changed names.

Reform has no government or cabinet experience and no policies in place. It really doesn't understand even what a policy document is. The "policy documents" listed on its website are just a collection of statement- not policies. It has identified no policy leads either.

A policy document is a formal, written guide outlining an organisation's rules, principles, and standards to direct decisions and achieve goals, clarifying what should be done (or not done), who's responsible, and the reasons behind them, ensuring consistency and compliance. It acts as a "single source of truth", setting boundaries and expectations for operations, often differentiating from procedures (how-to steps) by focusing on the why and what.

Here is the seventh "policy" on Reform's website - 07 “Make Work Pay"

"Work should always be rewarded. 

We will cut taxes on workers, reduce the burden on families, and ensure that people are always better off in work than on benefits.

The welfare system will support only those British citizens who cannot get by without government help, and it will no longer trap people in dependency or penalise effort.

If you work hard and play by the rules, Britain should work for you”.

What policy steps is Reform actually planning to take if it wins a GE? Your guess is as good as mine.

Moii

Search Izalden Alshaik Suleman Ashley hotel Hale, altrincham, we had German armed police removing him. Other being Hamed Mohamodie. It's covered up, even the mail aren't allowed to report it.

It has been reported.

He had not been deported, he was claiming asylum as he claimed his life would be at risk if he was sent back to Syria.

A judge will now decide whether deporting Suliman would breach his human rights.
(Reported last week in several media outlets)

Reform Policy- 05 "Restore Britain's Sovereignty.
Laws affecting Britain will be made in Britain. A Reform government will ensure that no foreign court, treaty, or institution overrides the will of the British people or the authority of Parliament.

Laws affecting Britain will be made in Britain. Borders will be controlled in Britain. National interests will be decided by the British people alone.

Sovereignty is not an abstract principle. It is the foundation of democracy, accountability, and self-government".

So Britain under a Reform Government it seems Reform wants the ability to will leave or ignore Nato, ECHR and all and any laws, treaties and institutions a Reform Parliament does not like. It appears Reform may be planning to revisit and update some or all current UK statute law- good grief! It appears a Reform government will "assume" the will of the people once in government- thereby awarding itself absolute, legal authority to be an authoritarian government in all matters legal and otherwise- good grief!

The UK is already a Sovereign Nation so I have no idea what Reform plans to "restore"?Tthe UK was a Sovereign nation even before Brexit. The UK is already a democratic nation- what is it about democracy that needs to change or be restored under a Reform government- I have no idea.

Reform has no government or cabinet experience

Every brand new party has to start somewhere.
A few members now have cabinet experience. Do they not?

Personally I think people are being a bit premature.
Not a done deal they will get anywhere near governing.

How are they that different from the green party in that respect.

Reform has inherited quite a number of defected Conservative current and previous MPs, some of which have government experience. If lack of government or cabinet experience doesn't explain why Reform doesn't have any clear policies what is the reason?

I don't personally have government or cabinet experience- I have health and legal experience I have thus experience of working in NHS, and courts and know what a policy is, why its needed and what it usually includes.

How does Reform expect the public to understand what exactly it will be voting for if it has no policies?

I sent a link to the policies.

Thanks fancythat, I did read the Refrom "policies" and already commented.

E.g. Policy 5 I am not clear what or how Reform plans to "restore" Uk's Sovereignty- do you know? As we already are a Sovereign country what does this actually mean?

Policy 7- I am not clear how much Reform plans to cut and/or change taxes, let alone how that will be funded. It seems to infer that only British citizens will be allowed to claim benefits under a Reform Government etc. etc- What does the "policy actually mean- do you know?

They appear to me just to be none specific, wishy washy statements rather than policies.

Reform is highly unlikely to get a majority but could easily hold the balance of power in a hung parliament

With Labour really struggling under Starmer and any changes likely to be leftward, increases Reforms chances

A lot can happen in 3 yrs but it needs to improve soon

Fancythat the Reform policy document you posted is just an idealised wish list with some of the actions already taken by this government or are unlikely to be possible. It's very thin on detail and rather too optimistic in intentions. It's quick read but I wonder how many of Reform's supporters actually take the time to read it

David49

Reform is highly unlikely to get a majority but could easily hold the balance of power in a hung parliament

With Labour really struggling under Starmer and any changes likely to be leftward, increases Reforms chances

A lot can happen in 3 yrs but it needs to improve soon

I think that is an unlikely outcome David49. Do you see any other party agreeing to work with them? I can’t see it happening, with so many Tory traitors, as the remaining Tories will see them, in Reform now, it will be the moderates left in the Tory Party, and they will disassociate. No other party would entertain a coalition with Reform.

foxie48

Fancythat the Reform policy document you posted is just an idealised wish list with some of the actions already taken by this government or are unlikely to be possible. It's very thin on detail and rather too optimistic in intentions. It's quick read but I wonder how many of Reform's supporters actually take the time to read it

It says policies.

I take them at their word.

Don't give a *, about his human rights he's a child sex offender.

"Reform UK will defend free speech, uphold British traditions, ban DEI quotas, and reject the politics of guilt.

We will ensure British children are not indoctrinated in schools, that they learn of Britain's great and proud history.

Religious freedom is a core feature of our culture, but our culture is built upon Christian values. Those will be protected and celebrated. "

Well this policy objective is interesting. Reform will protect and celebrate Christians (6% of the population attend a Christian church weekly). Black Christians are over represented in Church attendance and is the group who are showing the greatest increase in attendance. However, the disadvantages suffered by Black people in the UK will not addressed via DEI initiatives and children in school will not be taught about slavery so white people don't have to feel guilty about having benefited from it. However, don't worry with a Reform government we will be free to say anything we want even if it is inflammatory hate speech. Welcome to Farage's brave new world!

Moii

Don't give a *, about his human rights he's a child sex offender.

I wasn't defending him in any way, just giving the up-to-date information which has been reported in the press.

Those who decide what ' hate speech' are not people I would trust on that matter. I am not sure that mocking the value of free speech is a successful strategy, it certainly isn't with me.

In the UK, hate speech is defined as
"any communication—spoken, written, or online—that is threatening or abusive and intended to stir up hatred against a group or individual based on race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, or transgender identity. It is illegal and can lead to criminal prosecution, fines, or imprisonment. "

Free speech is anything that does not contravene the above. There will always be examples which tread a fine line between illegality and legality, that's why we have lawyers and judges making case law.

Yes it has been a complete nightmare for many.

Did you take them at their word about Brexit, too, Fancythat?

That’s gone well 🙄

The Liz Truss argument explains that it doesn’t matter which party is in power. The real structural problem lies with the Civil Service, the Bank of England and all the groups who support a high tax, low growth economy.
So Labour, Conservatives, Reform - it’s all the same….. nothing will change.

When Reform wishes to defend 'free speech what is their policy about checks and balances in online spaces.
Will they keep, expand or destroy safety features intended to keep youngsters from harm?

Casdon

David49

Reform is highly unlikely to get a majority but could easily hold the balance of power in a hung parliament

With Labour really struggling under Starmer and any changes likely to be leftward, increases Reforms chances

A lot can happen in 3 yrs but it needs to improve soon

I think that is an unlikely outcome David49. Do you see any other party agreeing to work with them? I can’t see it happening, with so many Tory traitors, as the remaining Tories will see them, in Reform now, it will be the moderates left in the Tory Party, and they will disassociate. No other party would entertain a coalition with Reform.

The Conservatives may have no choice but to work with Reform in a coalition at the next election.

They will have a choice Oreo. It’s not a foregone conclusion that a government in coalition happens, there have been minority governments in the past. Time will tell, but I think over the next four years a very clear divide will form between the Tories and Reform.

Maremia- I agree- I despair of the Reform party- they have pledged to immediately repeal the Online Safety Act 2023, placing children a much higher risk of abuse on line.

I fear there may be many more potential Reform voters who are just "taking their word" about things without any understanding what they are actually doing, and not doing. Eg taking their word Reform has policies in place when they haven't. Setting up a platform to enable authoritarian rule like Trump in the US etc, pledging establishing an ICE type force to deport 150,000 immigrants a year.