How long can Starmer survive? Getting popcorn ready 🍿🍿

They all have their fan clubs David49. Hanging your hat on any one individual is a game only for mugs though. I think defending a leader’s actions because they accord with your beliefs is a very different thing to people being a fan of ‘a good bloke’.

IMO People seem to have a very odd idea about what the Chief of staff and the Director of Communications actually do and why they would resign if the advice that they are giving to the PM is not getting the desired results. The PM doesn't have the time or energy to do everything and relies on the team he has around him have to do the background work and present why a decision should or should not be taken based on the evidence that they present. Clearly people in Starmer's team thought Mandelson was right for the job. Starmer was given the wrong advice about appointing Mandelson and the comms around that decision have been pretty appalling. I'm not at all surprised that MM and TA have resigned.

foxie48

IMO People seem to have a very odd idea about what the Chief of staff and the Director of Communications actually do and why they would resign if the advice that they are giving to the PM is not getting the desired results. The PM doesn't have the time or energy to do everything and relies on the team he has around him have to do the background work and present why a decision should or should not be taken based on the evidence that they present. Clearly people in Starmer's team thought Mandelson was right for the job. Starmer was given the wrong advice about appointing Mandelson and the comms around that decision have been pretty appalling. I'm not at all surprised that MM and TA have resigned.

I agree that his comms team has been appalling at getting over what the Labour Party has achieved. Hopefully the new person in this role will be more successful.

As for KS not knowing anything about Mandelson, sorry I cannot believe that he wasn’t aware that he had already been sacked twice from his previous positions in the Party.

There have been photos of Mandelson and Epstein shopping, and one of him in his dressing gown laughing with Epstein in the public domain before any of the Epstein Files were released.

Starmer was given the wrong advice about appointing Mandelson

How do you know that?

And you are saying or implying that Startmer doesnt have a mind of his own.
Or/and is clueless.

Will Keir Starmer stay in this storm? We know the tip of an iceberg about the Epstein files and no doubt more poisonous info will emerge. Mandelson and AMW/saraFerguson are sitting ducks and no doubt will continue to be a focus. Pity people like Trump/Clinton etc seem to have magic shields currently

One man I’m sure isn’t implicated is Keir Starmer. He made a huge error of judgement with Mandelson. Morgan M and his comms lead have both gone and in any well ordered number 10 would have gone by the time the Pip reviews were suggested. Awful terrible communication within the party and shambolic introduction to the public

I can’t see how Starmer can survive much longer. I’m sad to feel like this. He’s a man of integrity but his leadership has been poor. All the positives this govt is achieving is being drowned out by poor comms and overpowered by the Mandelson horrors

I don't think Starmer was in the files, but Farage was.

Exactly Maramia, decent man may lose his job. Others just crack on

Iam64

Exactly Maramia, decent man may lose his job. Others just crack on

Farage is keeping a low profile isn’t he. Usually on tv every day giving his opinion on everything but currently having to lie low…

The witch hunt for Starmer when he has only been guilty of poor judgement and believing his advisors is ridiculous compared to the guilt of AMW and Mandelson.
It's also annoying that the US perpetrators of these crimes are being protected.
I didn't vote Labour and have not been impressed so far but feel that the most guilty in all this are getting away with it.
It seems unfair that the few are taking a whipping for the many.

The news media ( and their rich backers) have been out to get Starmer ever since the failed donkeygate. Given how hard they’ve tried it just goes to show how squeaky clean he is compared to many politicians. For him to be the only victim of the Epstein files would be a travesty.

MayBee70, I agree

Maremia

I don't think Starmer was in the files, but Farage was.

Would you like to tell us?

“REFORM UK are under pressure to explain why their treasurer appears numerous times in the Epstein files over more than a decade.
Nick Candy, a self-described billionaire who made his money in luxury properties, crops up on numerous occasions apparently linked to deals with Jeffrey Epstein, including what appears to be the prospective sale of the paedophile billionaire's New York mansion.

In December 2024, Candy announced that he had quit the Conservatives and would “become the treasurer for Reform UK”. He then joined Nigel Farage and Elon Musk at a strategy meeting at Donald Trump's Florida mansion, the latter two of whom also appear in the Epstein files.

The trio's names all appear in a tranche of three million documents released by the US Department of Justice last Friday.
They, rightly, added this:

Appearing in the Epstein files is not an indication of wrongdoing.
That is true, but questions still need to be asked about this and about why, apparently, no Reform MP thought it appropriate to be in the Commons yesterday. Why could that be?”
This is from something called Funding the Future. Of course Farage has links with Bannon because of Brexit.

“As part of a landmark update to the national curriculum, UK schools are now required to teach boys how to treat women and girls with respect to combat the rise of toxic online “manosphere” culture.

Starting fully in September 2026, the Relationships, Sex, and Health Education (RSHE) curriculum will explicitly address the harms of misogyny, “incel” ideology, and the distorted views of relationships found in pornography.

Backed by a £20 million investment, the initiative provides teachers with the training and resources to help boys challenge sexist behavior and identify positive male role models, aiming to foster a culture of equality and halve violence against women and girls over the next decade.#UKEducation #RespectWomen #EndMisogyny #SchoolCurriculum #HealthyRelationships”
Something else that is going to be done under this government but probably won’t get any publicity…

If you haven’t seen it, it’s worth watching A Different Bias today, he’s talking about the encouragement of world chaos by the wealthy elite, including Brexit. It’s chilling, but it all starts to add up. Steve Bannon is a big player.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK3Y2erkmlY

MayBee70

“REFORM UK are under pressure to explain why their treasurer appears numerous times in the Epstein files over more than a decade.
Nick Candy, a self-described billionaire who made his money in luxury properties, crops up on numerous occasions apparently linked to deals with Jeffrey Epstein, including what appears to be the prospective sale of the paedophile billionaire's New York mansion.

In December 2024, Candy announced that he had quit the Conservatives and would “become the treasurer for Reform UK”. He then joined Nigel Farage and Elon Musk at a strategy meeting at Donald Trump's Florida mansion, the latter two of whom also appear in the Epstein files.

The trio's names all appear in a tranche of three million documents released by the US Department of Justice last Friday.
They, rightly, added this:

Appearing in the Epstein files is not an indication of wrongdoing.
That is true, but questions still need to be asked about this and about why, apparently, no Reform MP thought it appropriate to be in the Commons yesterday. Why could that be?”
This is from something called Funding the Future. Of course Farage has links with Bannon because of Brexit.

Bannon has links to Farage and Epstein.

Is Farage actually named in any other capacity than Bannon’s email to Epstein regarding Farage being an MEP and could be useful?

fullfact.org have said that the photo of Epstein with his arm round Farage is AI generated.

I am not a Farage fan, haven’t voted Reform.

It’s good to get the facts on all mentioned in the Epstein files.

It’s a spider’s web GrannyGravy13. My impression is that Farage was not a big enough fish to be included in Epstein’s wheeler dealering, just a useful pawn who didn’t at that point understand the task he was doing played into their hands. It really is worth watching the A Different Bias take that I posted to get a flavour of the way their minds work.

I think simply being named in the Epstein files isn't actually something that causes me great concern, I would need to be concerned about everyone except my milkman if that was the case. It surely depends on the nature of the relationship, whether that relationship was maintained once the allegations against Epstein became public knowledge, etc.

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

I don't think Starmer was in the files, but Farage was.

Would you like to tell us?

The Epstein files reveal two separate aspects of the lives and objectives of the super wealthy.

One is the appalling 'use' of girls and young women as sexual objects to satisfy the desires of wealthy men.

The other is the objective of the wealthy to obtain even more wealth and power by disrupting the global economic order and making money from the anticipated chaos. Brexit was celebrated by them as step towards destroying the cohesion of the EU, not only economically but also politically. Russian oligarchs were part of the 'network' ' no doubt Putin was aware, if not directly involved. He wants to break p the EU, too.
Bannon is one of the network and he was heavily involved in Brexit...

They are contemptuous of democracy and would seek to destroy it. Project 2025 which Trump is fulfilling is all about destroying US democracy. We can see how well it is working.

You know, I think I would actually acquit Farage of being a paedophile. He's just a greedy and self serving b*stard...

MaizieD you are of course correct 👍

I forgot that there is more than just sexual abuse and trafficking to these files.

And the thing that really angers me about all those rich and greedy people is that we, the UK, are being governed by the economic ideology which works solely to the advantage of 'wealth'.

Labour MPs are meeting now, for Starmer its the "back me or sack me" moment.

But brexit was a result of democracy, in fact I would say it was one of the clearest examples of democracy in recent times.
It was the 'elite', whether in politics, the media, etc who were almost unable to believe the result, party because of their utter lack of understanding of a significant proportion of their electorate.
I worry that that idea seems to suggest that those who opposed brexit were the good guys when it fact many of them ( including Mandelson) were also up to their necks in it.